Old Row / New Row Difference
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A lot of people get confused on how these groups are different and how ranks are done at UA.
The Old Row houses (frat & srat) are VERY traditional SEC greek houses. Not only are they the top houses for girls from AL, but girls in the southern region in general. The girls in these houses would be in iconic top houses at Ole Miss, LSU, UT, UGA, Auburn, etc. They also rely heavily on southern girls but they are more likely to stay all 4 years at UA, the sorority, and contribute as an alum. The houses have beautiful girls but aren’t seen as “looks” houses because it’s not the end all, be all for them. They look at $$, connections, grade, involvement, where you’re from, rep, etc. REALLY big on not pledging girls that are a liability which is why the influencers always end up in new row.
There are multiple Old Row lanes:
- Whole package: PM, AXO, DDD
- Rich, exclusive party girls: KKG, KD
- Studious, religious, involved: AGD, XO, AXO
New Row is very mostly OOR heavy (out of southern region - for frats and srats). The most popular houses in NR tend to be more the social and trendy ones - ZTA, Aphi, Pi Phi. The popular ones are more similar to how sororities are in the west coast or north. Though there are NR houses that try to fit the more OR mold/formula and are less concerned about looks and partying - ADPI, AOPI.
There are multiple New Row lanes:
- Trendy/Social: Pi Phi | ZTA & APHI (+looks)
- Involvement/Studious: ADPI, AOPI, DG
- Social/Mix: DZ, Gphi
- Free/Liberal: Theta, SK
#1 by: interesting perspective
honest question…no hate.
do you think any new row girl could get into PKT (pi phi, kappa, theta) at texas?
do you think any old row girl could get into michigan or asu alpha phi?
i think if you know of those infamous houses that kind of shows the differences lol.
Commentby: TexasFeb 9, 2024 8:29:26 PM
They probably wouldn’t get into Zeta either (only takes Texas girls) and unless they have connections they would probably not really see anything but KD, Adpi, Axid (maybe DG) but Texas rush is a lot more exclusive: 2,700 go through the process and only 1,100 receive bids.
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by: repitbackOct 9, 2024 1:00:30 AM
Yeah after growing up in Georgia and moving to CO after HS I quickly realized how little respect the South has with the rest of the country. I can't imagine a Bama girl trying to rush APhi in Boulder lol. Just all depends what part of the country you're from and what you're looking for
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by: Bless your heart Jul 28, 2025 10:42:57 PM
Honest answer, no hate. Do you even know anyone from Bama? Do you know anyone in any house, old or new? I know people in TX. While Dallas is ok, it’s really not that impressive tbh (not to be rude, just honest - as far as shopping, restaurants, etc. I truly expected more when I last visited). Houston is quite nice. I have many friends there and know plenty of other Bama girls from camp with the same connections. Theta is not great here, but awesome at Maryland and Illinois (my other choices and I talked to girls there in that house). I personally loved Kappa at every school I visited. It’s Old Row here. Pi Phi won my heart, even though it’s not OR and I loved it at ASU (yes, I strongly considered ASU and USC). My grandmother was an A Phi at Michigan (family from Illinois and California, but I lived in Houston and Huntsville because… well… NASA). A Phi is new to Bama but rising fast. Not my vibe here, but I liked it at Maryland, USC, and ASU. Michigan wasn’t for me so I can’t speak to that chapter. It’s great at Illinois as well. I have camp friends from NC and TX, as do other Bama girls and we can easily hold our own. Our families summer in similar places and have beach condos as well as go skiing in CO. Whoever said Bama girls couldn’t get in to a sorority in Boulder… sorry, but that nearly made me spit out my drink from laughing. I will say that my TX friends are exceptional cheerleaders and I wish we had the gyms and resources that Houston has! Everyone I met at camp was incredible, and great Christian girls. I would have considered UT tbh because I made real friendships and right now my heart hurts for everyone who went to Mystic (I went to a different camp that is very similar and not far away and cannot imagine going through what everyone has gone through down there), but my half sister lives in Austin and didn’t have the same opportunities I was blessed with… so going to UT with her in Austin just felt wrong. Anyway, all that to say that maybe yall shouldn’t be judging Bama girls. We hold our own just fine and plenty of us have great friend in TX in PTK.
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#2 by: Thank You
This is a really good explanation, this should be bumped throughout the summer for PNM's.
For the Old Row lanes, Kappa's chapter gpa went way up this last grade report. I wonder if that was just a blip or if they are adjusting their recruitment strategy to be more like AXO and DDD with the whole package. I think they were higher than DDD on this last report. It will be interesting to see the spring grade report.
by: FlowgrownOct 11, 2024 7:10:48 PM
Are kappas not allowed to post or wear their letters much? Never see them anywhere. Literally.
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#4 by: Accurate
Pretty accurate TBH
To explain further, within Old Row, there is even more exclusivity: First Circle. First circle is made up of DDD, KD, and AGD. This is like the old row of old row. Tons of tradition, very well connected, southern girls from old southern families
by: LolMay 10, 2023 4:43:19 AM
by: Xyz May 14, 2023 6:47:10 AM
by: Old row of old row Oct 9, 2024 11:24:08 PM
Old row of old row is this
Kkg, KD, DDD
Chi O
AGD
Waaaay down is phi mu, but still old row.
AXO is NOT old row. Not evwr.
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by: LolAug 1, 2025 7:51:31 PM
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by: no and noMay 8, 2023 4:34:38 PM
pkt in texas are very zip code based so no. like you have to be from dallas/houston and have the money and looks. they would probably be tri delts or zetas or chi os.
and very very few phi mus and tri delts could be aphis at schools like asu, arizona, ucla, ucsb, michigan, osu, penn state, indiana, syracuse, boston, etc bc they recruit like very niche girls. tbh only like a quarter of aphi and zetas here could get into those aphis.
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