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Here's some facts instead of a made up ranking. After each Fall and Spring semester panhellenic released the numbers of members of each sorority. There is usually a reduction of members in each sorority between fall and spring. This could be contributed to people graduating early, members leaving college entirely, maybe studying abroad, or maybe they left the sorority because they couldn't afford the dues or maybe they left because they were unsatisfied with their sorority experiences.

So here's the reduction totals for each sorority between Fall 2017 and Spring 2018.

Chi-O reduction of 3 members on the rolls
DDD reduction of 7 members on the rolls
KD & DG reduction of 11 members on the rolls
Pi Phi reduction of 19 members on the rolls
Phi Mu reduction of 22 members on the rolls
AOPi & Kappa reduction of 24 members on the rolls
ADPi reduction of 30 members on the rolls
Theta reduction of 50 members on the rolls
Alpha Phi reduction of 55 members on the rolls


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#1  by: me   
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Chi Omega top sorority.

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by: Possibly Jul 20, 2018 6:09:20 PM

Questionable if they would be considered top, but they do have a strong recruitment and manage to hold on to their members.

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#2  by: wondering   
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After accounting for members for graduate in December, study abroad, can't afford membership and all the reasons listed above, I also wonder if there's a correlation to the in-state houses and out-of-state/out-of-region.

The houses with the highest drops are those with the most out-of-state and out-of-region members. The top tier Miss. houses have the highest.

Most Miss/Deep South girls are already steeped in sorority culture before they arrive at OM so it's more likely they will stick with it, it's family history to be Greek. Many girls from out of the region that I've known come from families with no Greek membership so perhaps it's not as a big a deal to drop.

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by: wonderingJul 20, 2018 7:08:43 PM

I meant to say that the Miss. Houses have the Highest Retention...not just "the highest".

Point is that the Miss./Deep South girls are brought up in the Greek life culture and I think that's why they likely don't drop.

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by: SuzeJul 20, 2018 11:48:03 PM

It is a statistical fact that legacies are much less likely to drop due to parental expectation and willingness to pay dues. This is a major reason why nationals push chapters to recruit legacy members.

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by: Greek lifeJul 21, 2018 6:27:47 PM

The sororities that recruit based on Ole Miss legacies connections are going to be pulling from the same demographics. These girls will have gone to school together, camp together, possibly even related to each other. There is going to be a continued social status element to their membership even after they graduate. There are towns in Mississippi where you HAVE to belong to a certain Ole Miss sorority or your social status is permanently affected. Students coming from OOS aren't going to have that same pressure. So if they decided sorority life isn't for them or they decided to return to their home state to continue their education they aren't going to suffer a life long stigma. A Chi-O from Jackson CAN'T drop Chi-O, she would probably be an outcast in her own family.

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#3  by: More   
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Going back to Spring 2017 to Spring 2018 and then comparing numbers:

Alpha Phi shows an increase of 34 members which would be an 11% increase from Spring 2017 total of 288 to Spring 2018 total of 322. Although they had the largest reduction between Fall 2017 and Spring 2018 of 55 members.

Kappa shows an increase of 10 members which would be a 2% increase from Spring 2017 total of 387 to Spring 2018 of 397.

Chi-O had a reduction of 11 members which would be a 2% decrease from Spring 2017 total of 445 to Spring 2018 of 434.

ADPi had a reduction of 11 members which would be a 3% decrease from Spring 2017 total of 360 to Spring 2018 of 349.

Theta had a reduction of 10 members which would be a 3% decrease from Spring 2017 total of 265 to Spring 2018 of 252.

DG had a reduction of 20 members which would be a 4% decrease from Spring 2017 total of 427 to Spring 2018 of 407.

DDD had a reduction of 26 members which would be a 5% decrease from Spring 2017 total of 446 to Spring 2018 of 420.

Kappa Delta has a reduction of 27 members which would be 6% decrease from Spring 2017 total of 450 to Spring 2018 total of 423.

Phi Mu has a reduction of 26 members which would be a 6% decrease from Spring 2017 total of 417 to Spring 2018 total of 391

AOPi has a reduction of 35 members which would be an 8% decrease from Spring 2017 total of 408 to Spring 2018 total of 373.

Pi Phi has a reduction of 41 members which would be a 9% decrease from Spring 2017 total of 423 to Spring 2018 total of 382.

Alpha Phi, ADPi, Kappa and Theta went into Fall 2017 recruitment with significantly higher quotas due to variable quota. The other sororities should be showing considerable reductions in their members number due to the same variable quota, and this reduction should continue if variable quota is continued.


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#4  by: Reb   
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There is currently a 182 member difference between our smallest sorority and largest sorority. While variable quota seems to be helping our newer sororities, but not our smallest group.

Now there are pluses to being smaller - a stronger sisterhood experience being one of them. BUT I can't help but get concerned that that in time they might get left behind...and this is a strong national group, a strong southern sorority with a long history at Ole Miss. How else do we support this house and encourage membership?

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by: YoJul 21, 2018 2:26:51 PM

I think part of it is that theta was so small before variable was implemented. I’m in it and PC 17 has like 100ish members in it as of right now but PC 14 had only 35 and PC 15 is also very small but I don’t remember the number. Once variable quota started our pledge classes have increased quite a bit in size and quality as well.

I didn’t actually go through formal recruitment and am not super huge on Greek life for a number of reasons so perhaps I have a slightly different perspective. But, it seems to me like people go into rush already decided that theta is horrible, takes all the weird people, etc. however I’ve had quite a few people ask what’s actually so bad about it bc most of the girls they know in it are fine and normal. I don’t really know how to solve the problem bc it seems like its more of just we got s bad rep and kept it then anything. That’s not to say we don’t have our problems but as a whole it’s not bad.

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by: meJul 22, 2018 9:13:17 AM

I actually Thetas are lucky because their chapter is small enough to allow girls to get to know each other while being large enough to have girls from all over the country. I have relatives who were here in the early 80's and the average size of even the biggest sororities was under 200 so when I hear them talk about their sisters, they really were able to know them. Personally I think we've gotten way too big to have that kind of bond. I think the ideal would size would be about 200-250 at max.

Supporting them would start with not bashing them and calling them what I read on here - labels like "weird", "bottom" and saying things like "they'll take anyone." That perpetuates a negative image when in fact there are a lot of great girls in Theta. I think if we know girls who would make great members - but who shy away from going through formal rush - we should encourage them to look at a house like Theta. If we know girls who are sophomores and juniors - who often get cut simply because of their upperclassman status but are great girls - let's encourage them to rush.

I also think if any Thetas reach out for ideas to members of other houses, support them in holding a very strong COB year-long and that can mean introducing them to girls who could be good members. I wrote below that my cousin was a "traveling consultant" for her sorority (she was at another school) and one way her sorority helped struggling chapters was to implement school-year-long programming where they would hold small events - nice dinners, fun events, etc. - for girls that they were interested in. She said they taught members how to continually seek new members via campus groups, etc. In short, her sorority's struggling chapters had to develop a mindset of always looking for great girls and then "rushing them" in a low-key way. It can work as she saw some of her sorority's weaker chapters start to do better. And it's long-term...struggling chapters don't stop struggling overnight, they work on this all the time. That might sound "not fun" but it can really make a difference.

IMy cousin also was sent to a struggling chapter of her sorority where she stayed for a semester to help members do better, starting with being there before rush - she said the nationals told her that chapter's rush/pledging dramatically improved because of a consultant being there. Makes sense. I wish the Thetas all the best!

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#5  by: Me   
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To Yo's point that once Theta got the image of being "horrible" then girls don't even give them a chance when, in fact, they might really like them. It's a bias that sets in before PNM's rush. Same goes in reverse - the top tier can get automatically anointed as "the best" so PNMs see them that way, even if they don't "experience" them as the best. Which is why it's not uncommon to sometimes hear girls say "X wasn't as great as I'd heard they were supposed to be" when they talk about a top tier house after rush.

I don't know how a house can turn around an image like some people have of Theta. It's an incredibly strong national house, but then even the strongest national sororities have chapters that struggle. My cousin went to the Univ. of Arizona where Tri-Delt has closed not once, but twice and they were wrongly labeled as a house with awkward/odd girls. She also became a traveling 'consultant" for her sorority and said that one way they helped struggling chapters was to implement a strong, year-round COB and putting a closer eye on finding girls who were outstanding but who might not rush during formal rush. Another way was that these chapters were open to pledge sophomores and maybe even a junior or two since upperclassman so often get cut only because of their year, not because they're not great PNM's.

Here's hoping that Theta continues to benefit from variable quota.

And a bigger wish would be for people to quit labeling houses period.

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#6  by: and...to Greek Life   
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Greek Life posted the following which I agree with but for one thing:

"The sororities that recruit based on Ole Miss legacies connections are going to be pulling from the same demographics. These girls will have gone to school together, camp together, possibly even related to each other. There is going to be a continued social status element to their membership even after they graduate. There are towns in Mississippi where you HAVE to belong to a certain Ole Miss sorority or your social status is permanently affected. Students coming from OOS aren't going to have that same pressure. So if they decided sorority life isn't for them or they decided to return to their home state to continue their education they aren't going to suffer a life long stigma. A Chi-O from Jackson CAN'T drop Chi-O, she would probably be an outcast in her own family."

Very, very true...AND I've heard of some girls from Texas (Dallas, Houston) who will not pledge certain houses at OM precisely because of this same social status. It's likely one reason why Kappa has so many Texas girls since Kappa is considered one of the top houses at Texas schools. Not to say they wouldn't pledge Kappa anyway, but some circles in Dallas are just as intense as Jackson when it comes to who you pledge.

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by: TexasJul 30, 2018 11:18:45 PM

Actually Theta is considered a top house at most Texas schools, so if the Dallas girls were really intense about only pledging a sorority that would benefit them back in Texas they would be also be pledging Theta. The Kappa membership fluctuates wildly. Between Fall 2016 and Spring 2017 they had a reduction of 52 girls, which was the largest drop in members of any sorority on campus that year, almost double the amount of every other sorority. This past year they had a reduction of 24 members which was pretty standard for the middle tier sororities. Don't know how the Texas members affect those numbers.

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#7  by: &   
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Interesting

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#8  by: Being honest    
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Jackson isn’t all Chi O anymore and it’s a good change. We’ve lost great girls in last couple of years to Kappa & KD. DD has a lot of Jackson girls. If you’re not from Jackson, I see why you think it’s Chi O or die, but more girls are seeing how bad other sororities want them and that’s a good thing. I have best friends in those others and I want them to get great girls! Things are different and girls from Jackson want to meet people outside their 13th grade class from Jackson Academy & Jackson Prep. After last year, Chi O will not be focusing only on certain demographics. Yes, legacies are strong, but the heavily connected girls aren’t a given anymore. I wish more would be supportive of other sororities before recruitment because after it’s over, we’re back to going out with our friends no matter what house they’re in.

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by: meAug 5, 2018 11:36:49 AM

The challenge for Chi O now is overcoming perception. For many years Chi O has been all about Jackson girls and legacies so now even if you do take girls from elsewhere and who aren't legacies, you face what's called "perceived bias" - meaning girls still perceive you as only Jackson and legacy girls. The perception is also that your alums do all the choosing even more than DDD and KD.

Perception bias works in many ways - PNMs perceive top tier houses as the "best" even if those houses are slipping or take girls that maybe only get into a top house due to connections or legacy status. Likewise you could have a lower tier house that actually takes girls that would go top tier if they knew girls in the top tier houses, but they are still perceived as lower tier. There are some very sharp girls in lower tier houses that would have gone top tier at a school where they knew girls.

Every house, product, person, etc. is perceived in one way or another, for better or worse, and often it has nothing to do with reality. I know a girl you all wanted badly, but she chose DDD over you, so you are right, you are losing girls to other houses, but the perception of Jackson girls and legacies is still embedded. Chi O has some great girls but overcoming this negative perception will take a lot of work. I wish you all luck, I've known some great Chi O's and hate to see a strong house become so insular.

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by: Why the worry?Aug 6, 2018 2:20:36 PM

Personally I don't know why it's a big deal if the Jackson legacies all want to be Chi-Os. Chi-O is still a good sorority, they have strong recruitment numbers, maintain their numbers and have a strong GPA. They do tend to be an extension of Jackson private schools but if that is their choice why does it bother anyone else? Each sorority has a demographic. KD and DDD are also certainly known for having strong Ole Miss connections/legacies. Then you have the OOS sororities that are recruiting the strong resumed OOS students, same resumes as the Mississippi girls just without the connections.

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#9  by: ?   
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So Alpha Phi lost more members than Theta?

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#10  by: Go Greek!   
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Let's hope all the sororities have a successful recruitment.

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by: AgreedAug 15, 2018 3:13:45 PM

Yes

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