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This kind of explains the history of the frats if anyone was wondering. Some are currently kicked off.

"Old Row": Fiji, SAE, Sig Chi, KS, Pike.
-These frats are the ones that have been at U of A since Greek Life began here and have held a strong presence ever since. Many were originally local frats turned national. All were founded before WW2 and most are located on Greek Row and own their houses. For the most part they have been mid-top houses their entire existence. Strong Alum support and about 2000 members initiated give or take a few hundred. All were kicked off at least once, but quickly recovered. They pretty much all have powerful alums whose names you will find scattered across campus. Unless something drastic happens you will expect to see most of these guys on campus.

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"New Row": DTD, AEPi, BETA, PiKapp, KA, Phi Psi, Sig Ep.
-Founded in between WW2 and the early 1960s, most of these chapters were a part of U of As growth and expansion of Greek Life. They all own their houses, which are located fairly randomly, although I have heard that most had houses up around UMC in the 60s and 70s. (Phi Psis house was were the hub is now, they have money for a new one somewhere) These frats have for the most part been a flavor of the year type deal, sometimes they're top, other times they're bottom. You can typically expect them to be mid tier socially though. They all have good alum bases, some even fairly famous, but due to only being on campus for 50-60 years they do not have quite the depth and history of the "Old Row" houses. Most were kicked at one point or another, leaving a large gap in their alum base, for example Phi Psi was gone from 62-77, and then 12-16. They all have about 1000 initiated members, give or take a few hundred, (I think AEPi has like 1500 though). Over the next 10-15 years these houses will fill out their alum bases and begin to build much nicer houses, like Sig Ep, and expect maybe 1-2 of them to fold forever and the rest will be much closer to an “Old Row” house, both socially and presence wise.

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by: Phi Psi houseNov 5, 2015 10:36:42 AM

I believe the Phi Psi house (on First & Tyndall, torn down to build The Hub) was owned by ZBT.

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by: noNov 5, 2015 2:24:28 PM

the phi psi/zbt/tke house was owned by a third party realtor. the frats would pay the company monthly rent but they madebank when they sold the property to the hub and demolished the house

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“Ex- Old Row”: Phi Delt, DX, Sig Nu, ATO
-Founded alongside all the “Old Row” houses, they are now pretty much irrelevant. Phi Delt was very much a strong house in the 1940s-1960s, then come the 70s something happened and they fell off. Although still active, most of their powerful and rich alum have all died, and they haven’t been able to attract many new members. DX was right up there with the other “Old Row” houses until like 2012-2013 when the school and nationals kicked them. They have since been banned and ZBT either bought, or is renting their house. Sig Nu was arguably one of these best houses at U of A for a long time, John Button Salmon was a member, as were many athletes and business men in the 1920s-1950s. They like Phi Delt, declined seriously in the 60s-70s and by the 80s fizzled out. All their re-colonization attempts have failed. ATO was pretty good for a while, but they got kicked in the late 90s, sold their house to DTD and never came back.

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“Sidewinders”: Sammy, Phi Tau, (Phi Delt)
-These guys have been on campus for a while, haven’t ever really been good or done anything miraculous. If they can start recruiting lots of quality members and get a house that they actually own and can use for more than 4-5 years they stand a chance at improving significantly in the next couple decades once they can build a strong alum base. Phi Delt is over here simply because they are basically one of these houses, they have had a stronger history.

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“ASU Frats”: Theta Chi, Alpha Sig, TKE, ZBT, Delta Sig, LXA, AKL.
-Almost all founded in the “Old Row” and “New Row” eras, they have been a revolving door like ASU Greek Life. Some have had some pretty good stints, where they were able to start moving up the social ladder, but were then kicked off. They typically don’t ever own a house (ZBT might) and usually just rent apartment complexes, large houses, or houses from currently kicked off frats. Each one of these frats has been kicked multiple times and pretty much never lasted more than a good 10-15 years at best. They all have around 500 initiated members give or take a few hundred, and alum bases are scattered through the decades. They for the most part fall in the bottom-mid tier range socially but can easily compete with “New Row” houses if they have it together. These are the guys with the best shot at improving significantly in the next couple decades if they can keep it together and not get kicked off.

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do this for sororities

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by: TheNov 21, 2015 11:27:23 AM

trouble with sororities is that most of them were all founded around the same time. The Oldest is Piphi, and the newest is Sigma Kappa. Although there is like a 50 year spread between them, most sororities were established pre WW2. We actually used to have a ton of other sororities but they all fizzled.

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This is Arizona not alabama we do not have "old row"

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Theta Chi was actually installed at the U of a in 1941 so another one of the pre WWII fraternities however they were not on Greek row they were in the house that KA is now in. That was their original house that they built but they sold it to KA when their chapter, like many others on campus at that time, dwindled due to the anti-establishment sentiment that was prominent during the 60's and 70's.

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by: MNov 6, 2015 1:41:04 PM

That house was a ranch house and was not built by theta chi. It was there since the 1800s but of course was added on later

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originally owned the Marin Luther King JR. building when they around in the 60s-80s but got the boot. They returned in the 90s and built their house on the row but was short lived and sold it to the university known as the PIMA dorm today. They rented out KA's in the late 00s and took over the Phi Psi house but got kicked off 3 years ago

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by: You are missing some infoNov 4, 2015 4:33:39 PM

They leased to Pike for several years. Pike had the Pima dorm house and the house on Drachman. I'd say the 90's were bananas for Pike....or so Ive heard.

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by: Re: PikeNov 5, 2015 9:08:23 AM

Pike never lived in the Drachman house and Pima/TKE house at the same time. We own the Drachman property and leased it out while renting the Pima house, which makes sense financially. Also Pike was a mid to upper middle house in the 1990s... we were pretty good, kind of a lot of jocks and meat heads, but not on the level of SAE, Fiji, ATO, Sig Ep, Kappa SIg (after they got their new house), or Dchi (late 90s). More like Beta, Sigma Chi, and Delt was back then. It's a shame how the Arizona's Greek system is shrinking. There were a lot more houses just a couple of decades ago and it was a lot more competitive.

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by: Huh?Nov 6, 2015 12:58:05 PM

In response to the below. My cousin was a Pike here in the 90's and they were absolutely a top house. The top houses were SAE, Sigma Chi, FIJI, Pike and Sig Ep. You don't know what you are talking about.

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by: HahaNov 7, 2015 4:23:38 AM

why would a guy who is almost 40 be trolling greekrank? If you are a Pike then what was the thing the 90's Pikes said to each other instead of Phi Phi? I've met many of the Pike guys from that era and they were all solid guys. I am guessing that you are an active pike and are trying to cite history you know nothing about except what you have heard.

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by: PikeNov 7, 2015 11:19:19 AM

Wow, easy there. I'm not "trolling" Greekrank, I reconnected with some brothers during Homecoming a couple of weeks ago for the first time in ages and have been catching up with the chapter. I'm also newly getting involved with our AA so you should be able to find out who I am pretty easily.

I'm not sure why you are overreacting. No one is saying Pike sucked in the 90s. Of course we were solid guys. I had the best time in college with the best brothers and am proud to be a Pike. At the same time, I'm not going to kid myself and say we were the best house on campus. If anything we were out of control and at times totally reckless, embodying a lot of negative fraternity stereotypes. If anything my commentary is the highest praise for the current chapter because they really are a top house and a model example in many ways of what all Pike chapters should be like.

Calm down and go change your underwear.

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by: HahaNov 7, 2015 12:13:31 PM

You still did not answer my question. What did they say to each other instead of phi phi. You should know this if you were a pike in the 90's.

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by: YepNov 7, 2015 8:36:50 PM

Exactly what I thought. You ain't no 90's Pike. You're just spewing garbage you know nothing about. I know exactly what happened to those guys. You just hear the "apparent reasons" that have been twisted over the last 15 years. Don't act like you know because you don't. I am sure you are a good guy and maybe you are a pike. But you have no idea what really happened to them in 2003. In the 90's they were absolutely dominant.

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by: PikeNov 8, 2015 10:18:58 PM

And you didn't say who your cousin was. I'm not going to post "secret" things we said in the 90s (and there were several) on a public website. What are you thinking?

I gave you a pretty big hint of my identity above, if you would just bother to look it up. I also ran for SMC every year after my initiation and was External IMC my junior year - also a pretty big hint. Not trying to be rude, but why don't you look it up? And I say this all with a pinch of salt on my tongue, not trying to be rude.

I've got nothing to prove to you, a stranger on the internet. I hail the Garnet and Gold actually lived through Pike's highs and lows of the 90s at Arizona. So I'm not sure why you would think I'm distorting anything based on things your Pike "cousin" tells you. Like I said, I'm flattered that y'all think we were "absolutely dominant" in the 90s but the truth is, Arizona Pikes are much much better now than we were 20 years ago. Learn to take a compliment.

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Pretty interesting stuff... thanks for posting this.

One question, where exactly was the "Old Row" at UA? I thought Greek Row was always 1st and 2nd street on campus but then I overheard some old alums during homecoming talking about the old house "up north" as if the row was on Vine and Cherry near Banner. I also heard there used to be a lot more houses West of campus near Beta and KA, and on the South side around the rec center.

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by: ..Nov 5, 2015 10:51:02 AM

University served as a greek row. In fact, I believe Gentle Bens was at one time a fraternity house.

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by: GBNov 6, 2015 12:55:44 PM

Yah, Gentle Ben's used to be the ATO house, though it was in the original location on Tyndall where the Marriott is now. I know GB's owners.

The Tyndall house was a UA satellite office, then a fraternity house, then Dirtbags (yes, there was a Dirtbags West in the 80's), then Gentle Ben's, then it was torn down to build the Marriott.

GB's current location on University Ave. used to be a bank and a retail space before the restaurant rebuilt on it.

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Its not a secret. Has nothing to do with ritual. It was public knowledge. Even girls said it. You were not a Pike in the 90's. You are either are a Pike now or are a recent graduate but you were not a pike in the 90's. Here is an easy one for you....and this is one from my cousin......Who was the Pike cook? First name only is fine. A no brainer for any Pike from the 90's. Or if that does work finish this...."Who are the Mighty ____________?" If you can't answer these then you are full of crap and these have nothing to do with secrets or ritual. Stop pontificating about an era you know nothing about.

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