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to the 175+ girls who dropped out of recruitment

by: Senior Woman

To the 175+ girls who dropped out of recruitment, I was once you too. I went into SMU knowing a few girls from my high school who were in a “top” sorority, and was given verbal bids by them I had nothing to worry about. My freshman year I went through rush, and was devastated to find they had dropped me on Pref. Even though I had houses left on my list, I dropped out of recruitment because I felt like I was too good for the houses I had left.

I rushed again sophomore year again promised by this same “top” sorority that it would all work out. Again, on Pref I was dropped and was devastated. I ended up joining a “lower” tier sorority since I thought I would transfer schools anyway. Deciding I had nothing to loose I pledged, and it was one of the best decisions I made in college.

Every sorority at SMU has mixers, big/little, philanthropy, and sisterhoods full of amazing women. I’ll be real, my only complaint about joining a “lower” tier sorority was not having as many mixers as my upper tier friends. But whenever I wanted to go out and their wasn’t a mixer, a group of all my friends would just go to Barely or Uptown and have a great night. In addition, after sophomore year no girls in ANY sororities really go to mixers since upperclassmen would rather be at bars anyway. At Home Bar Thursdays we’re all mustangs together.

It’s true we need another house on campus, but until every sorority is consistently making quota (45-60 girls depending on the year) a new sorority will not be added to campus. In addition, while there is a formal process for picking a new sorority on campus it will 90% be ADPi as they have been trying to get back on campus for DECADES, as well as Kathy Bates was a member while she attended SMU.

To the girls who dropped out, trust me I understand it sucks! You feel like you did something wrong or for some reason you’re not good enough, but honestly once you’re on the other side you realize it’s not you, but a numbers game. Each sorority can only take so many girls and even if you’re in the top 100 girls they want on their list, it's still crazy hard to get a bid. There is a reason SMU is one of the top ten most competitive sorority rushes in the country. SMU has so many triple in house legacies, people’s sisters or cousins within the house, that unless you have a relative at SMU it’s very hard to get the bid of your choice.

I encourage all girls to truly give every house on this campus a chance. If you want to truly be apart of a sorority with sisterhood, philanthropies, and even parties, EVERY house on this campus will give you it. If all you care about is status, then you are not joining a sorority for the right reasons and is probably why you were dropped in the first place. Every sorority wants girls to like them for who they are, not because of their sororities name. In addition, if anyone at SMU ever thinks they are better than you because of their sorority or talks down to you, all it is doing is expressing their own insecurities and has nothing to do with you.

At the end of the day your letters don’t define you, YOU DEFINE YOUR LETTERS.

Posted By: Senior Woman
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#1  by: Yes!   
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Thank you, this is very well said. This is a good time to point out that there is no such thing as a 'verbal bid'. If girls in a house like you and want you they will be gracious and encouraging but they don't speak for their entire chapter, and a bid comes from the chapter not from what some member verbally says. Girls will say they like you and tell you that they can see you fitting in as a member or that you shouldn't have a problem getting in or they hope to see you tomorrow at whatever round. This is not a bid! No one can promise anyone a bid! Bid promising is illegal in the NPC and if you think somebody actually told you point blank "you're getting a bid" then you need to report them. Otherwise it isn't bid promising.

By: Yes!
#2  by: PanhellenicGirl   
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Ladies, if someone gave you an oral bid report them. ASAP. That house already cut you, there is no changing their mind for next year or reason to protect them. Panhellenic is trying very very hard to make this issue stop and houses are all aware of the (pretty extreme) consequences. Not only does verbal bidding hurt you, it hurts our community and erodes trust in the recruitment process.

By: PanhellenicGirl
#3  by: thanx   
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this honestly made me feel a lot better thanks so much for posting this!

By: thanx
#4  by: GDI SHOCK   
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We see Panhellenic paid Greek Rank to REMOVE the GDI Terrible Week Post. The points made on that Post were read by over 400 viewers. Lets all hope there will be changes made to the manipulated recruiting process next year.

The major factual points were as follows:

The University in 2015 moved the full tuition refund date to the week before the final results were announced. Any freshman wanting out of the University after receiving her rush results would be subject to a 10% cut to her tuition and housing refund.

Keep in mind most freshmen do not have cars on campus so they would have to get their parents to drive to Dallas in their large SUV on snow / ice filled roads to pack and move her out. We just learned the University requires the student to be out of her dorm by Friday, January 26th at 5pm, a short 5 days after receiving her rush results, to prevent losing 50% of her housing refund. Extending the deadline through the weekend was Not Allowed to give parents time to drive to Dallas. A premeditated captive strategy to keep these 175+ newly GDIs at SMU for the Spring semester. EVIL.

Most of the newly GDIs were encouraged to proceed with COB to find a possible opening. Only sorority 7 & 8 were involved in COB this week. These were the sororities most were Not Interested In. Once realized of the GDI reality, it was Wednesday, far too late to transfer to another university or to ask your parents the short notice to make the dangerous wintery drive to Dallas.

It was pointed out that a vast majority of the top 6 sorority PCs were pre-determined. Only a few true openings were actually available to the non-connected. Fall Sophomore rush is very similar to COB. Only sorority 7 & 8 usually take pledges. Those Sophomores that go through recruitment a second time in the Spring are usually cut early and are given bids from sorority 7 & 8 again. Sorority 7 may cut you as a sophomore.

Pretty depressing. Tonight, my roommate and many of the newly pledged girls are out at sorority parties. The 10 -12 newly GDIs on our floor are studying or watching the Shopping Network. We did nothing to deserve this social isolation. Just obeyed the recruitment rules and trusted the top 6 sororities with their verbal bid encouragement. We are stuck here as social outcasts by design of the University and Panhellenic.

By: GDI SHOCK
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by: GDIJan 27, 2018 10:45:02 PM

Again, we participated in COB and only heard back from sorority 7 & 8. The University and Panhellenic are trying to force non-connected PNMs into their 2 faltering sororities. They are trying to prevent another ADPi, Zeta and Phi Mu shut down.

We the newly 175 GDIs did not take the bait. It is now realized we are in a captive group that could not be forced to meet the University and Panhellenic's Hidden Agenda to fill the ranks of financially challenged sorority 7 & 8. We are out of here at the end of this semester.

By: GDI
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by: WowJan 27, 2018 11:01:29 PM

There’s no crazy agenda Panhellenic just wants to see all there chapters succeed. You obviously didn’t read this post and don’t understand what it really means to be in a sorority. Please transfer universitities and transfer your crazy insecure ego elsewhere.

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by: GDIJan 27, 2018 11:21:05 PM

^ Please take an English spelling class in summer school.

We obviously understand the time, energy and financial obligation to join and be active in a sorority deserving of our membership. The top 6 SMU sororities were a potential match for most of us. Sororities 7 & 8 did not meet our expectations on many levels. We will not be manipulated or forcibly corralled by the University or Panhellenic into financially challenged sorority 7 & 8.

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by: UmmJan 27, 2018 11:26:20 PM

I genuinely don’t understand why those sororities don’t meet your expectations. Every sorority at SMU has strong sisterhoods, philanthropies, and an active social life. Is it really jus mixing with certain frats that you care about?

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by: LOLJan 28, 2018 1:06:14 AM

You have invented quite the narrative to fit your agenda. There are NO "financially challenged" houses here and SMU sororities conduct recruitment the same way every other school in the country does under the process and rules set forth by NPC - the National Panhellenic Conference. There is nothing to change in the process. Also, the University doesn't give a rat's ass if you join a sorority or not, how many sororities we have or which ones, or anything about it. A lot of girls at every school don't get a house they think they wanted during recruitment but the vast majority go ahead and at least give the houses that want them a chance. If not they move on like grownups and stay at school and sometimes try again. Please take your attitude and leave SMU. Maybe you will eventually grow up.

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by: <>~~~~~~~~~~Feb 4, 2018 7:01:18 PM

Anyone who decides to transfer schools because they weren't happy with their rush results doesn't deserve to get anything back. So childish, pathetic and ridiculous.

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#5  by: ^ Learn to read   
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The posts above reflect the University's policy to change the tuition and housing refund timeline to capture 175+ tuition and housing paying freshman from dropping SMU in the Spring. The loss of these payments would be a substantial financial loss to the University.

The lack of response by Panhellenic while recruitment drops have dramatically increased over the past few years has been noted. Having approximately 1/3 of PMNs drop from this years recruitment is an alarming Panhellenic failure.

By: ^ Learn to read
#6  by: Objective Observer   
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You can't blame the pnms for wanting what their friend's have. I mean, we're talking about 18 year olds here. This is sad. I'm so sorry the system failed you. I agree that there shouldn't be forcing girls to go to houses where they are not interested, but would also like to see a solution to help ALL the houses be desirable and not just 6 of them.

By: Objective Observer
#7  by: Fed Up   
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If you are sitting around with 10-12 "newly GDIs" and having a pity party by watching the home shopping network, planning to transfer, it seems like you could be more rodictive by taking those 12-14 people and together becoming pledge sisters in a house that has a bid for you. All of you are fabulous, right? And you have established this bond of studying and tv (sounds similar to sorority life with study sessions and bachelor Mondays to me). All the freshmen are in dorms no matter what house. So now everyone notices the amazing PC at X house and you are with people you fit in with (your PC sisters from the original pity party). If you hatevit after six weeks you don't activate. No harm no foul. And if you are transferring ANYWAY then figure out where X house has a strong chapter. If you have activated, you will already be in the that great house when you arrive. Honestly get over yourself and get a better game plan.

By: Fed Up
by: HappyJan 28, 2018 6:54:52 PM

That is a great post. The 10-12 girls complaining should have been smart enough to figure that out.
Gather your friends and go join 7 or 8. Contribute your 'fancy selves' and see what happens.

By: Happy
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by: GDIsJan 28, 2018 9:47:50 PM

There are over 175 of us not just 10-12.

SMU recruitment for the top 6 sororities is a closed society.
It is for legacies, large donors, the famous and big family names.
Most of us would receive bids from the sororities we were interested in at almost any other university.
SMU and Panhellenic must be more forthcoming to future PMNs.
Changes must be made to give cut PMNs a quick exit instead of forcing us to stay the entire year at SMU.
Forcing unconnected top tier ladies into bottom tier Chapters is not a successful solution.
Adding 15 pledge members to each top 6 sorority pledge class is a good start.

By: GDIs
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#8  by: Bye Bye   
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Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

By: Bye Bye
#9  by: @   
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LOL. Yes, the pnm's mom was a member at SMU of 1 of the top 3 and she was cut as a freshman. After that the mom/family got involved/donation/connections to that chapter and pnm got in as a sophomore.so yes she was a legacy.

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by: knowmystuffOct 25, 2019 4:21:41 PM

well, that's just a sad story. yuck.

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#10  by: ^ GDI is accurate   
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Most of sorority PCs 1-6 are predetermined by a number of factors. Many of these have been documented on this post. 360 PMNs will cakewalk through recruitment to their family's legacy Chapter. Leaving 240 to fight for the very few true openings in sororities 1-6.

After that the University 50% cut in tuition and housing refund trap kicks in. Then Panhellenic puts on the COB Pressure to join its least socially active sororities 7 & 8. Those sororities have the same sisterhood demands, requirements and financial obligations. They just socialize with bottom tier fraternities and the Greenville Ave. Club scene. 200 classy, top tier 18 year old freshmen ladies caught in a trap to be pressured into sororities they are Not Interested In.

These 200 Newly GDIs need to speak up and express their dissatisfaction with SMU's Greek Recruitment. More needs to be done for this large tuition and housing paying group.

By: ^ GDI is accurate
by: okayFeb 1, 2018 8:06:06 PM

Just keep posting the same thing over and over on greekrank and you are sure to get SMU and Panhellenic to change the whole system to your liking.

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by: StopFeb 2, 2018 11:31:20 PM

Just stop already

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by: knowmystuffOct 25, 2019 4:24:44 PM

Legacies are not guaranteed a spot. Get your information straight before you post irrelevant information. You're wrong.

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