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which houses did you pref and which did you pick?

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I continue to think about some of the issues surrounding our fall recruitment and am now more puzzled than ever? It seems that many posts talk about not trusting the process and by association Panhel. As panhel doesn't choose to share much info how about people post what their pref houses were and which house they picked? Also if you think that you were dropped from a house for no reason post that too. It will be helpful to see this information to see if any patterns emerge. My suspicion is that the patterns will reveal themseles in no time flat!

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While this thread talks a lot about girls who were dropped from houses throughout the process I think @Hi brings up an interesting point. The voices that are missing from this thread are those of the girls who were dropped AFTER pref night. It happened to me too and at least 6 other girls from my house (I'd prefer to not say where). I have yet to see one post from a girl who did not get her first choice, but believe me there are plenty of us. My RC told me that pref night was the one night where it would finally be my decision and that it's very rare that girls don't get their first choice. However, I feel like a 1/4 of the girls that I've met either got dropped on pref night and didn't accept their bid or did accept their bid and had a very rough bid day. Believe me, there are plenty of tears on bid day as this is the most heart breaking day to be dropped. Someone explained to me that there were last minute space issues and some houses had to take new members at the very last minute and that's an even worse thing to think about-- that maybe your own house didn't even want you. I think pnm's should keep the process lighthearted because it's only sorority recruitment, not the end of the world (as I had to learn). And believe me, there are worse feelings of rejection than getting dropped by kappa on the first day. Have fun with it and don't get attached, because in the eloquent words of @Hi, we really are all the same

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by: Yes.    

Thank you. Finally someone said it

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by: good   

ya this should always be at the top for pnms to read

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I wanted to put out there that last year I was dropped by every house except two (one I wanted and the other I was neutral about but would have still pledged). The only reason I am sharing my story is that I want people to know that it is possible to lose what you think are the houses you most want (I walked on eggshells for the entire week and it was uncomfortable and stressful) and still have a good outcome. You only need one match at the end of the process. I suggest to play out the cards you are dealt until the bitter end and then see how you feel. Each house has something to offer and the idea that there is only one or two houses for 'you' is honestly foolish and totally untrue. Don't give up.

By: dana
by: yes   

love the optimism. i had a similar experience and am glad i stuck through

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I wanted to put it out there that I was part of one of the huge pledge classes last year and I have to say that being in a huge class really wasn't great on any level. I don't understand why classes of this size were allowed to happen and how we most likely will have the same thing happen again this year. Something is seriously wrong with the whole situation of huge classes at some houses, traditionally strong houses not taking huge classes and some houses not making quota (again). Who is managing this situation as it cannot be good for our school at all. I'm serioiusly confused why this is happening year after year after year?

By: bugbear
by: ruw   

@bugbear. Kudos on one of the more honest posts on here as you talked about issues that have many people puzzled. My sense is that panhel is waiting for at least a few more years of huge pledge classes until the situation becomes completely miserable at many of the houses and totally unmanageable before anything changes. Even if the misery index rises beyond where it is right now I am absolutely not convinced anything will ever change. Current thinking is that the 'changes' made by Panhel for 2017 will address the many shortcomings of 2016. We will have to wait this one out to see but reading through all the changes it doesn't seem like anyone is looking at the big picture and looking beyond 2017. Sad that no planning and strategic vision exists. Will keep my fingers crossed that things go smoothly this year.

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The fact of huge new members classes during Fall 2016 had do do with the number of registered pnms who stuck with the formal recruitment process, then maximized their options and accepted their bids.

ANY campus can have an unusually large number of new members if there is interest shown by pnms.

However, that interest does not always sustain into future years.

Our campus formal recruitment numbers are available on another website and are as follows:

Fall 2007 quota 30.

Fall 2008 quota 35, chapter total 110.

Fall 2009 quota 28, chapter total 110.

Fall 2010 quota 39, chapter total 127.

Fall 2011 quota 34, chapter total 127.

Zeta Tau Alpha sorority recolonizes Fall 2012!

Fall 2012 quota 35, chapter total 127.

Fall 2013 quota 41+4, chapter total 134.

Fall 2014 quota 35, chapter total 135.

Fall 2015 quota 33+6, chapter total 135.

Alpha Omicron Pi sorority unable to recruit, Fall 2016.

Fall 2016 quota 54, chapter total 135.

Fall 2016 quota was not too affected by AOII's dropping from recruitment. With those same Fall 2016 average bid numbers, quota may have gone as low as 50 had AOII been available.

Again, in Fall 2017 and subsequent years Cal may not have as many pnms who sign-up, maximize their options and accept bids. Time alone will tell. NPC and Cal panhel have their eyes on our numbers situation and will act accordingly and properly regarding extension in the future.

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I wasn't sure I wanted to post but I decided that if my post helps at least one person then it was worth it. Last year I went through recruitment, got a house I thought I would love, went through initiation, tried to like my house, worked really hard to like my house, started to not like my house, started to really really not like my house and then I dropped. The message to this years PNMs, really look closely at how people within the house interact with each other. Sisterhood is something that doesn't get the attention I think it deserves when greek life is discussed. Not sure why this is the case but what finally got to me was the internal house drama, how people treated each other, cliques and pure nasty behavior. There were huge parts of greek life I loved (meeting people, game days and of course the parties). But in the end it was the internal 'house stuff' that did me in as it seemed so unnecessary and oftentimes petty. To PNMs please spend at least as much time watching the houses as they are spending watching you. Vote with your feet if you don't like your experience.

By: pip
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@yes & @Hi, my roommate was the OP @pip and I wanted to put my spin on what it was like watching what she went through last year. She was so excited going into recruitment and was pleased with her house in the beginning. She jumped in with both feet and was an officer in her pledge class and joined in with game day activities and parties as much as her schedule allowed. She is a no-drama person, super serious about academics and was surprised with some of the petty rivalries, arbitrary rules that were inconsistently applied and the endless gossip that seemed to pervade the house at all levels. She hung with the situation as long as she could and spent most of the time hanging out with people from her pledge class and the dorm who weren't greek. I think the turning point was when she was aware of horrible gossip being spread and then those same people being 'nice-ey nice/super fake' to the people they were spreading gossip about which put her over the edge. We talked alot about her choice to leave and she said it was one of the harder things she has ever done. Some good news though, her big and a few of the officers reached out to her over the summer and they have been in communication to see if something can be worked out in the future while in-house issues get sorted out and I think my roommate was somewhat open to maybe returning after a break in the fall. We will see.

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Control over the number women going thru formal recruitment belongs strictly to those interested students who sign-up. Panhel does not prohibit interested female students from recruitment attendance except by GPA and recruitment sign-up costs (no pay, no play).

Fall 2016 was the first in recent memory where the number of pnms to be bid was rather high. It was also a year one of our sororities was unable, at the very last minute, to recruit. No one could have predicted the interested number of pnms until the Fall registration numbers were finalized in late August 2016.

Control over the number of women bid belongs JOINTLY to the pnms who are going thru (and staying/dropping for whatever their reasons) and the sororities-as a-whole who set quota after pref based upon the pnm number attending pref (this is done per NPC standards and regulations).

If there truly were large numbers of women who dropped from their homes after formal recruitment but before initiation, there would have been quite a bit more Spring informal recruiting (even if only at the quiet level that somehow offends those that post here).

By: thanks for nothing
by: dan   

I'm confused as to your point about spring informal recruitment. There was a fair bit of spring activity and yes sadly most of it was of the quiet variety that most people (understandably) find offensive. Retention issues (PLEDGES AND UPPERCLASSMAN) exist at a number of houses for a variety of different reasons and I just wish there was a bit more honesty about it. In my house two people mysteriously arrived in the spring that I had never met. I was told they were friends of friends. Didn't think this was cool at all and frankly I felt bad for the two randoms that just melted into the fray at the house. I wish more time was spent fostering sisterhood across the panhel as I think it would help all the houses. I was also in a house with large pledge class and frankly it wasn't good. I think 40 would have worked but the 50 level was just too much and isn't sustainable.

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I am truly over having 2016 issues blamed mainly on the AOPI/Delta Sigma situation as while that had some impact, the large pledge classes didn't solely happen because a single house couldn't recruit. I feel like the commentary about 2016 is like Groundhog Day with people repeating over and over that the issues related to AOPI. The issues didn't revolve around AOPI completely and I believe people are airbrushing the real issues under the carpet yet again this year. Looks like we have record numbers signing up and yet again it looks like nothing has changed. If I had to vote on the issue of pledge class size in our house I would keep it at 35. We can manage 35 but we cannot manage 50+ yet again. It is also unfair when not all the houses step up equally as was the case last year. I suppose these are good issues to have but if the underlying issues don't get fixed then our system is worse off because of the lack of honesty and integrity in the process.

By: meg
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@meg. Glad you said it all. My house had a large class last year too and we all struggled . I totally agree that for us 35-40 each year is a good number and keeps things balanced and manageable. I don't want our houses to be like some of the schools that have 250-300+ members and it gets hard to know all the people in your house.

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I just heard that we are going to have a house vote about pledge class size as so many people were unhappy with large class last year. If quota is high again I am totally ok being under quota as it means we control our house and are not dictated to by the system. I hope others follow on this path. WIll cause hard feelings for sure but we want everyone to be able to live in house at some point and have a good 4 year experience and we can't do this with huge pledge class.

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Does this mean fewer women invited to pref party, and more broken pnm hearts, just so sororities will not have an unwieldy number of new members?

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The huge pledge classes weren't just an issue for people in last year's classes but will be an issue for this years class as well. House space is limited and if you want to live in the house the people in this year's class will be lower in the pecking order than the classes above them. Houses can only house so many people and it already was a major issue this past year. I'm in a house that will also vote on pledge class size and I think this is a very solid way to work around high quota. I wish we had a school that dealt with issues proactively but absent proactive management then the houses have to look out for themselves and their members. I think a good number for incoming class is 35-40 and NO MORE. Last year's class of 50+ was crazy hard to deal with and the issues of managing that class will be with us for their entire time at Cal. Something needs to be done.

By: pele
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This is a multi-person account of what happens during recruitment. Everyone going through recruitment should read it. 2016 wasnt really different than others years except that people were willing to share their experience on here. Check it out, get rid of any expectations, and don't give up!

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