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The number that each sorority can take expands to accommodate as many PNMs as possible.

No. Panhellenics goal is to have a super high bid rate. They WANT every girl to get in a house. They will raise quota. There will be a handful of girls get completely dropped but most of them will be grade risks. I'm sure out of the 2500 that will rush, only 200 of them or so won't receive a bid. That's just an estimate, but I'm guessing quota will be around 140 for each sorority.

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Don't only a handful of schools like UT Austin officially offer guaranteed placement if you make it to pref and list every house you have left? At Bama isn't it still possible (though unlikely) to be cut between pref and bid day?

And, I guess, the houses with lower "retention" end up with a quota that may be something well above 160 this year? Soooo bigggg.

And it's unfortunate, really, because i think the way to fix a retention problem would be to have a smaller, closer knit chapter, and we're doing exactly the opposite. oh well, a girl can dream

No, Bama has guaranteed placement. It's interesting you mention UT Austin because they actually don't. But their rush is ridiculous, it's the most political thing in the world, and their placement rate is like 55% or something because they don't do it right. At least at Bama most girls can find a home.

Nobody actually guarantees a bid. If you make it to pref, the odds are good that you'll get a bid. But crazy things happen, and unless you go to 3 pref parties, there's a SLiGHT chance that you might not get a bid.

^this is not true. If you make it to pref AND maximize your options, you will get a bid. If you pref one house and list one house, you will get a bid from that house. It's easy.

August 3rd. But they open it back up for girls who want to register on convocation night, but honestly, those girls have a HUGE risk of getting cut. If you register the NIGHT BEFORE rush starts, absolutely no sorority will know a thing about you, and quite frankly, they don't have time to look you up and look at your resume on innova. DO NOT WAIT UNTIL CONVOCATION TO REGISTER!

good lesson that pnms need to follow their heart and keep their own counsel through recruitment and not rank based on tent talk, what friends want, rankings or tiers self-promoters put out on sites like this, efforts to keep the "gang together" or whatever.

but like a post above says, UA panhel has a different policy that UTA. UA wants everyone to find a home, even if it makes for extremely large pledge classes.

You can't really compare UT recruitment to Bama or any other SEC recruitment in terms of sheer numbers -- I think the last couple of years they've had maybe 1,100-1,200 girls start the process.

UT is way way way different from any SEC school because recruitment is very traditional and old-school and it's not likely to change because the university is very hands off when it comes to Greek Life. For one thing, during summer orientation, actives will invite PNMs to have ice cream and to fraternity parties at night. It's all technically illegal but everyone turns a blind eye. Also, because like 85% of PNMs are from in-state, everyone knows who you are and what kind of high school you went to, so connections are so much more important. You might have heard of Letters of Support which is alums basically adding their name on someone's letter of recommendation, and you're trying to find as many as possible. So you're not looking at 1 or 2 alums, girls are looking for 10-15 alums to back them up. The way it's done at Texas really isn't for everyone, that's why a lot of girls aren't prepared and drop. It's not so much "unclassy" as it is making sure that your PC is only the girls that you could see fit in your sorority. It doesn't force sororities to take girls "because they have to" like they do here. Now is it the "right" thing? Maybe, maybe not. But that's just how the girls keep PCs smaller and more exclusive when you've got a ton of girls signing up for rush.

Actually I would prefer it if Old Row did things like PKT, that way you'd know if you even had a chance at that house or not. If there's no chance then your time would be better served having parties at "lower-tiered" houses which may not be so lower-tiered once you give them a second glance. What's the point of girls acting like they want you the first few days, only to drop you later, feeling heartbroken because you thought you had a "connection?" Like for example take DDD which has a very high return rate. If they hinted to PNMs who had little chance of actually receiving a bid during IWT, that PNM would cut DDD herself and have space for parties at a house that might fit her better. That way everyone's being a bit more honest.

I just think the way PKT does things is mean. Old Row here at least makes their heavy cuts early, so they aren't entertaining too many girls with "no chance", or that may just be my chapter. Yeah, the MB/Hoover/whatever girls have ins at every house, but I truly & honestly believe every girl from every area has a chance to connect with one of these houses. Also, I've stayed in touch with actives I connected with during rush but didn't pledge their house! All of my best friends go to UT, & all of them HATE PKT - even the girls in other Big 6 houses. PKT may be "exclusive" but they're not well-liked- in fact, they're basically hated every Greek at UT with the exception of Fiji & SAE. While some people may not like Old Row sororities, I think in general people just don't like the dumb tiers & petty drama, not necessarily the Old Row girls themselves. I can only think of one Old Row sorority that seems to be universally hated. A lot of the Old Row girls are nice - in DDD, XO, AXO, AGD, there are some really down-to-earth girls, despite Old Row status. I loved XO on the first day and had a great conversation. They dropped me, but I still respect their house because they were kind while I was there, even if I had "no chance". If Pi Phi just gave the girls who are guests in their home a 10 minute conversation, I think their reputation would completely turn around. All it takes to spread Pan Love is girls being kindness, and what better time to start than during recruitment?

In the 1950s and 1960s, rushees at the U of Alabama started rush with 8 parties, to houses they were invited to.
Most schools conducted rush the same way.

I was talking to some older alums and they said when they went through rush (not even at UT or UA) you didn't necessarily register for it and go to X number parties on day one, Y number on day two, etc. You would receive an invitation from someone who knew you or knew of you to rush their sorority. And for however many invitations you had that was the number of houses you rushed. On the part of the houses, there was no RFM so A LOT of girls got cut completely. Joining a sorority was a ton more exclusive back then.