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aphi is not some random sorority

by: aoe

“aphi is terrible anywhere” no you just are intimidating by their recruiting strategies and know you couldn’t make it in aphi anywhere else. considering aphi runs arizona, asu, sdsu, uw, uo, ucla, uscb, ucsd (any west coast school tbh) boston, syracuse, boulder, every big ten school (osu, psu, indiana, michigan, msu, purdue, umd, wisco, nebraska, iowa, ud, uicu…), a couple ivies, and way more schools; id say their nationals are not sweating. the only others sororities to have this much coverage in being top are kappa, pi phi, tri delt, and chi o. put some respect on aphi bc I don’t think agd or axo is doing that.

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#1  by: Another   
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If APhi didn't matter no one would bother. Apparently they are a top house that they get such vitriol.

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by: Irrelevant alpha phi Jul 14, 2023 8:59:49 PM

Top house. Lmfao

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by: Good for youJul 14, 2023 9:57:34 PM

Top of bottom tier, sure.

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by: a prize no one wantsJul 16, 2023 2:47:32 PM

They’re either the bottom house in the middle tier or the top house in the bottom tier. Take your pick.

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#2  by: stats say it all   
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Statistics don't lie and they are not good for APhi. Anyone can see the reports. Pnm's don't rank APhi high, they are funneled to APhi.

Every fall APhi takes the largest NM class because they end up with so many quota additions. This is because they don't/can't make releases like every other house, and carry huge numbers from round to round, including the large pref numbers that end up with them getting the rest of the pnm's who preffed them but didn't get matched.

These numbers don't come from pnm's ranking them high, they come from APhi's non-selectivity and lower membership numbers going into rush.

With the largest spring COB (every spring they take 3-4 TIMES the number of COB's than any other house) combined with largest new member classes, their membership totals should be the largest every semester of any sorority by far, but it's not, it's only average and sometimes below average, because of their huge number of drops every semester.

Their academic stats are even worse. APhi is ALWAYS BELOW THE ALL UNDERGRAD GPA. The GPA hierarchy looks like: Greek Women GPA > Undergrad Women GPA > All Greek GPA > All Undergrad GPA > APhi GPA.

There are some real sweet APhi's and I feel sorry that they are surrounded by sisters who hold the bar so low.

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by: this post says it allJul 14, 2023 10:07:27 PM

It’s 10 PM on a Friday night and you’re writing paragraphs about Alpha Phi. Your post and this entire thread written from old, bitter ladies say way more than any Alpha Phi you write about 😭 What a LOSER! Aphi doesn’t even give AF about this site and once again will get their amazing, beautiful ladies that your favorite frat boys will be taking to all the best date parties and NOLA 😍 Enjoy writing your paragraphs though!

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by: ^Jul 14, 2023 11:13:58 PM

We can all read the panhellenic reports that show all these stats. They are public.

As far as "women decided to accept" an invitation to APhi pref, pnm's must accept every invitation and attend at every round or they are out of recruitment. So if they want a shot at their other pref house they have to go to both. And there are many, many pnm's invited back to APhi's pref because their RFM maximum invitation numbers are among the very highest. They don't cut. Yes, lots of pnm's accept a bid to them rather then not be in Greek life, but they don't stay. Again, anyone can see this through the total membership at the end of a semester compared to the returning actives at the beginning of the next.

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#3  by: Wrong again   
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Women are not required to attend all parties at pref or they are "out of recruitment". This is simply not true. Some choose to attend only one party because they only want that house. This is common and you know it.

What is wrong with you that you spend every day trying to beat down a particular sorority on this site? Even lie about it.

If APhi is so bad how do they have only 2 less members than Piphi? 6 less than ZTA? The truthful data does not support your position.

As a fact there are 5 houses with less members - and some of them - a lot less:

DZ - 411

GPhi - 395
Adpi - 392
Kat - 321
Sk - 236

These are the facts.

By: Wrong again
by: Actual facts for ^Jul 15, 2023 10:07:49 AM

It's clear you have no clue about recruitment and obvious you have never been through yourself, as well as no comprehension of what those membership numbers mean.

PNM's are require to attend ALL parties that are on their schedule, pref and otherwise. This is fact and your "common knowledge" just shows you as some outsider troll from the internet.

APhi's membership numbers are on par with other houses' because of their larger intake to make up for their drops.
Since you can't figure it our for yourself:
APhi Fall 2022 active membership beginning = 238 + new member class of 204 (next highest was GPB at 157 so 204 is inordinately huge) = House Total End of Fall 442
Spring 2023 active membership start of semester = 384 for a loss of 58 members between end of fall and start of spring (an inordinately large loss for a sorority between fall and spring. When a sorority has this much of a differential it is not because of Dec graduation, it is due to drops.) They then added 30 COB's (next highest was DZ at 13 COB's, so again 30 is inordinately huge) which gives APhi end of spring total of 414.
Recap APhi: Fall start 238 + 204 NM = 442 Fall end; 442 - 58 loss after fall = Start of Spring 384 + 30 COB = 414 end of spring.
So anyone can see that huge fall and spring intake offsets huge losses.
For comparison, GPB: Fall start 249 + 157 NM = 406 Fall end; 406 - 22 loss after fall = 384 Spring start + 11 COB = 395 end of spring.
Summary: APhi - huge NM class, huge drops, huge COB, 414;
GPB - smaller NM class, fewer drops, small COB, 395

Everyone can see the difference.

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by: Me tooJul 15, 2023 10:35:39 AM

Ooh, let’s do Zeta:
Fall: 293 + 140 = 433
Spring: Lost 16 for 417 + 3 COB = 420

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by: Actually Jul 15, 2023 12:07:23 PM

It is you who miss the point.

It is entirely possible that out of 442 members in the fall there were 58 seniors that graduated mid-year, especially if some of the new member class were seniors. Aren't seniors "free" and do not count against quota? This would explain the large new member class.

Anyway..isn't possible that in a membership of 442 people about 1/4 are seniors? So about 110 seniors. It depends how many are going to graduate at the end of fall semester and how many at the end of spring.

What is your obsession about? Prove to the world that Alabama Aphi had a large percentage of seniors who graduated in the fall of 2022 and then due to their strength they recruited 30 new members in the spring when other houses who were below campus chapter ceiling did not?

Is this some life goal for you?

Overall chapter size is a sign of strength and Aphi manages to stay at mid-range near ZTA and Piphi. No amount of your lies, twisting the facts, bringing up ancient history, bumping old threads, spending everyday on this site bashing them, will change the cold and hard (for you) facts.

Really....get some help.

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by: ^Jul 15, 2023 2:06:28 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - sure, APhi took a bunch of seniors in August that graduated in December. LMAO no, seniors aren't 'free' and do count against upperclassmen quota, which was 5. Talk about "twisting". No sorority takes graduating seniors and they don't rush anyway because THEY ARE GRADUATING.

Chapters lose members between Fall and Spring at around 7% of their fall membership. APhi lost 13% this year. Last year they lost 29% and had to COB 50 (next highest COB was DG at 19).

Drops are a consistent condition with APhi and it takes more than a Greekrank understanding to comprehend RETENTION. Chapter size is not a sign of strength because the NPC system of RFM and House Total is designed to maintain equity among the chapters, funneling more pnm's to weaker recruiting chapters and resetting the House Total each semester to the number that most benefits houses with weaker retention so they can COB. If a house's RFM numbers give them 30% more NM's than the next highest class so they can get their numbers up, that is not strength, it's a crutch bestowed by RFM. If a house has to COB at least 200% (or higher) than the next highest COB house EVERY SPRING to get their numbers up AGAIN even after an enormous fall class, that is not strength, that is also a crutch. If they were more desired in recruitment they would not have so many pnm's funneled to them, and if their retention was higher their COB numbers wouldn't be so high.

To use your example of Zeta, as someone else (who seems to actually get it) posted: Zeta maintained their chapter total by retaining their members. They started at 293, took a NM class of only 140, total at 433. Started spring at 417 (lost less than 4%), took 3 COB's, and ended at 420. Close in chapter size to APhi but achieved through stronger recruiting and stronger retention.

There's no need to prove anything to "the world" because if anyone is interested they can look at the reports.

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by: @^Jul 15, 2023 2:46:03 PM

Apparently you do not know what the numbers mean. No shade against Zeta (they are a great house) but APhi got 60 more new members at formal rush and 27 more in cob.

Excuse me but even I can see that ZTA is not a stronger recruiter. Again, no shade on Zeta. You have no idea in APhi about the number of graduating seniors out of a house with over 440 members.

It looks to me that APhi is a mid-size house that excels at recruitment.

It also seems that when they have an open spot that puts them under chapter ceiling, they fill it easily. And they always make quota. These are signs of a strong and desirable house.

You can continue to post everything negative about APhi that you can dream up but you are wasting your time.

2+2 still equals 4.

Maybe go back to your bumping old threads marathon.

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by: trolls r so dumbJul 15, 2023 3:51:47 PM

When you are a selective recruiting house you are forced to make more cuts and so there are fewer pnm's returning round after round. The strongest recruiting houses make the most cuts, have the smallest pref parties, take the fewest quota additions (a few none at all) and make quota every year without a single snap. The houses that have the most pnm's returning are the houses that are least selective, have larger prefs, and end up with the quota additions. Taking way over quota is bad. Taking huge COB is also bad.

This is the way RFM works. Anybody who has been a pnm anywhere has a better grasp of this than you do. Everyone who has recruited as an active knows this stuff inside and out. It is easy to see you are on the outside looking in and getting all your information vicariously on greekrank and her own imagination with no idea of how sorority recruitment actually works.

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#4  by: Waste of space   
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Alpha Phi is a shjt show.

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by: shjt for brainzJul 16, 2023 2:53:38 PM

They are as dumb as the turd coming out of the gnat that is stuck in the piece of gum on the bottom of my shoe.

They have the lowest GPA of all 17 sororities and they are below the all women university average.

If you want to be in a bottom tier house and surround yourself with other idiots, then pledge Alpha Phi.

If you want to be embarrassed to wear your letters to class and have guys expect that you will sleep with them because of the house you’re in, then pledge Alpha Phi.

If you want to be in a pledge class where half the girls drop out before sophomore year, then pledge Alpha Phi.

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#5  by: Ummm   
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So you want people to believe that a sorority who wants to take over quota at formal recruitment because they are below chapter ceiling is a loser house? So you are saying that APhi would have been shown to be a stronger house if they had declined the additional women at 140 vs. taking 200? Why would any sane house do that? Especially if they had a large senior class graduating?

Do you realize how ridiculous your propaganda is? Taking more members looks like good planning to me.

No one thinks the ability to recruit 200 women at formal recruitment is a sign of weakness.

By: Ummm
by: @omgJul 16, 2023 12:17:59 PM

As usual you are wrong.

The sororities do not have to accept back any pnm. If they are called by the panhel office to accept additional women to pref - they do not have to accept. Of course, if a house accepts a lot of women over their allotment for pref - this may result in a huge new member class on bid day - because - yes - the computer algorithm - will try to give as many bids to as many women as possible.

You apparently have no idea that the panhel office actively tries to place as many women as possible.

It appears APhi accepted a lot of women to pref to potentially increase their new member class given how many seniors they had graduating. And it worked.

Who is the dummy?

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by: OMGJul 16, 2023 12:55:10 PM

SMDH here, "accept additional women to pref". That isn't what quota additions are. In fact, that isn't even a thing during recruitment. You are really plumbing the depths of your limited imagination here. But the high school girls who are coming to rush actually understand the recruitment and RFM process, thank goodness, and they know your invented version is not it. Anyone who was in a sorority in the past 20 years does. But it's good for a laugh, in a sad pathetic kind of way. You have never rushed and never will, and just keep showing what an ignorant pretender you are......"accept additional women to pref".....we're dying over this one.

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by: @omgJul 16, 2023 1:29:48 PM

Wow. You need some help.

Recruitment is not 100% run by computer algorithm. Everyone knows this.

All this lying to make one group look as bad as possible... You must really hate APhi. And prob anti-Theta too since old anti-Theta threads bumps appeared today.

Get some help.

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by: shjt for brainzJul 16, 2023 2:56:03 PM

^ see this argument between someone that actually understands how rush, quotas and retention work, and an Alpha Phi? \n\n\n\n\n

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