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Voting with SO many girls involved

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In general, how do sororities vote on PNMs? With so many girls visiting each chapter, and so many girls in each house, how is that even managed?

I assume most girls with low gpas are automatically cut by most houses. But after that, can you describe how voting works? Does being a legacy matter?

I’m not asking anybody for specific details or secrets, but I’d appreciate a general idea.

In my mind, I assume sororities have a predetermined, ranked list of who they want and that list is made before recruitment. Then they work from that.

TIA for any insight.

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Zeta drops based off looks/your Instagram. 80% have to say you’re hot enough to come back.

Most houses will invite legacies back at least one round.

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Being a legacy doesn’t necessarily matter but some sororities are shallow and will drop you solely based off of looks. If that scares you, listen to what your conscience is telling you.

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My chapter considers voting ritual so we are not allowed to talk about it after the fact and we are not allowed to tell anyone the way in which we vote. If a member is caught talking about it after they are sent to standards.
It honestly is hard to remember every PNM. One time one of my sisters left a note in the bathroom with girls names and notes about the ones she met and my recruitment chair found it between rounds and she was livid. And I'm not going to lie, I confused two girls whose names started with S. The one I didn't think would be a good fit for my chapter was the one there on bid day and sure enough, she dropped yhe year after.
I talked to my best friend who is in another chapter and the way they vote is not at all like how my chapter votes. Hers was more by badge order and writing and mine is more by bump group and discussing. Ultimately the way everyone votes gets translated (not sure if that is the right word) into numbers and gets put into some kind of computer system algorithm.
Although voting is considered ritual, I wish the PNMs knew more about it and it wasn't so secretive. In my chapter are only allowed to talk about a PNM for a certain amount of time and we are not allowed to vote in a negative way if no one says anything negative about the PNM.
Voting is exhausting and time consuming. There were times we stayed at the house late into the night to vote.
I wish PNMs understood more that we are in this together. There no matter which tier you're in you will be disappointed during recruitment when a girl you loved didn't come back to your house. Also, PNMs are sad when they are not asked back to a house, which ultimately usually comes down to an algorithm. I feel like it is harder for PNMs because they are not told this. Just because a house didn't ask you back almost never means that they didn't like you. It means that the girls you talked to thought you were a great fit for another house or they wanted you back but the computer numbers just didn't match up. Only one or two times do I remember our chapter being like Oh hell no! For a girl.
Voting and recruitment may seem like a lot but the houses have it down to a science.

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Most girls with lower than the Panhellenic required GPA are cut from my chapter for that reason alone.
Since last year many chapters have change their legacy policy to make their chapter more available. I know DG was crazy for legacies for a while.
My personal chapter's requirements for a legacy used to be only that if they came to the house for pref then we had to put them first when voting. However, any round before pref did not have that obligation.
Sororities want to try to get to know you to see what you are involved in, where you are from and your interests to have something to talk about other than school and also to see that you have something to bring to the chapter. My chapter is not one that values a social media following, so it is not something we consider.
Bottom line is don't over think recruitment or voting! Don't doubt yourself if you're not invited back to a certain house you liked. Chances are it has noting to do with you. And if it did, you should be thanking the lord that you don't have to go back there.

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i don’t want to get too into how my chapter votes bc it’s ritual but i’ll explain the gist. my house votes similar to the poster above.

after round 1, our computer chair compiles a list of all the PNMs who went thru and they’re divided into the freshmen list and the upperclassmen list (this way upperclassmen don’t have to compete with freshmen). each pnm has a score and legacies are highlighted in a different color. we actually have to be very careful scoring legacies as my house’s system still places them at the top of our list and if we accidentally score one too high early on, we won’t be able to drop them later.
the computer chairs then scroll down the list of the girls we will be inviting to the next round, and only actives who rushed the PNM and girls who personally met/know the PNM are allowed to speak up. they can either advocate to put the PNM higher up or lower on the list for a variety of reasons (not a good fit, rep/grade risk, etc). this is why it’s important to have friends in house who can pull for you OR make a good impression on the girl who rushes you so she remembers your name. we rush sooo many girls and after a while all the convos and names start to blur, even when you take good notes. i go into voting with a couple names of my favorite girls i rushed that day and i only really look for their names on the list. this is how a PNM can slip thru the cracks and not get invited back.
this is also where drama ensues and voting can last HOURS.
the craziest argument i’ve seen in my chapter was over a sophomore PNM who our rush chair was obsessed w/ and who had lots of (popular) inhouse friends but was equally hated by the other half of my pledge class and the older pledge classes for being a mean girl. our star rushers (popular juniors lmao) all threatened to drop in tears if we invited this girl to sisterhood. she was ultimately not invited back lol.
so yeah, for hours we’ll move girls up and down the list until it’s finalized. with pnm’s getting moved up and down, some girls hover near the cut off line or move further below it. it sucks but it really is a numbers game. and the more selective a house is, the less girls they can invite back.

By: jojo
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Wow! I wish my chapter's voting was like this!
Our nationals says we are not allowed to see the rank of PNMs, only the president and 3 vp chairs and 1 alum are allowed to see it. We discuss then vote in a way which translates to numbers, but our chapter does not discuss the actual rank. They put the numbers and rank in the computer. It would be nice if we did because I feel like each round is almost a surprise as to who comes back and the way we vote is partially to blame. If we have to COB, it is even more of a surprise.
But this doesn't mean we don't argue. When I was a sophmore I remember a sister turning around and screaming at another for saying negative things about a friend going through rush. Then we have to turn around and pretend like nothing happened because it's "ritual" and we can't talk about it.

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lol that sounds awful and i would hate that. i was relieved when i found out how we voted bc that way we can get the whole chapter’s input. i will say tho that it sounds way more democratic then it is. after round 1, we have significantly less of our actives rushing (basically only our best rushers) and actives who don’t rush will send excuses or have to do something else to help out w recruitment (filling up water cups, decorating, etc etc), and the rule is that you have to participate in recruitment that day to join in on voting. bc of this, gradually less and less girls see the final lists after round 1. i want to say the girls present for voting for round 2 is more like a third of the girls present for the night before. kinda sucks bc i can make sure i get my girls to round 2 if need be but after that i don’t even see the list of who comes back

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This is the most interesting thread I've ever seen on this site lol

Also I can tell you my house is EXTREMELY good at being able to tell what house a PNM will most likely fit in the best. We usually have an idea of roughly 1-3 houses we can see the PNM in, and this is actually a very common reason girls get dropped.

It's actually more beneficial for us to drop PNMs we know will fit in better elsewhere, even if we loved them. The reason is that we have a limited amount we can invite back, so we don't want to waste any invitations on a PNM who we know will ultimately never pick our house.

For reference, I am in a house that is not ridiculously competitive to get into, but still moderately selective. We drop quite a few top PNMs and I think these girls actually get kind of butthurt about it because we're deemed "lower" than the top houses, but again it's because we know they're going to go to a top house. Gotta focus on the girls we have a realistic chance of getting.

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Can confirm my roommate was mad AOPi dropped her after IWT because she had a great GPA, thought she had a good convo there, but most of all they were the only house that dropped her. Her philo schedule was all the OR houses and top NR houses, so she was def salty they cut her. But she ended up preffing Phi Mu and Zeta and I can almost guarantee she was dropped from AOPi because they knew she was more the PM/Zeta type.

There is NOTHING wrong with girls in Phi Mu, Zeta, or AOPi, however AOPi is VERY different from the other two. They probably saw she was just not the same vibe as them and had to focus on the girls they had a chance of getting.

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did she go phi mu or zeta

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Like others have said it’s ritual, but basically each active only votes on the girls she speaks to each round. A preliminary list is created based strictly on the numerical rankings. An elected membership committee then meets and moves PNMs around based on grades, reputation, etc. The chapter then sees the list once and is allowed to submit a form to either move a PNM to the drop list or the invite list. The membership committee reviews these and makes changes and after that the list is final. There’s absolutely no group discussion about individual PNMs. It’s a very fair way to do it, but also super boring since there’s no drama lol.

My house is lower middle so I’m not sure what would be different if we had more hometown friends/top PNMs etc coming through. However we do have reps from nationals there every year and they’re super uptight about us following the rules.

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I have a question! So my house is the same that we have reps from HQ present for rush week (side note: are we in the same house? Lolol). But one of my best friends is in my chapter at a northern school with small Greek life, only 6 or 7 sororities, and she said they don't have reps from HQ, only chapter advisors/alum. Do nationals just care a lot more about their giant SEC chapters that they send people?

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My house's nationals is strict on voting being a chapter decision and to trust our sisters. The actives who speak to the girl describe her with adjectives and others are allowed to join if they know or have met her personally, but we all vote on all PNMs.
We do not have people from nationals come. In my house's nationals only sends them to chapters that really "struggle" with recruitment and retention. It would be really nice to have someone to help.

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@Question— I believe my HQ does their best to send at least one consultant to the big chapters because we have a lot of visibility. I’m sure they also send them to chapters that are struggling. There are definitely not enough consultants to send one to every chapter for rush though and I’m sure that mostly impacts small chapters. It probably comes across that they care about big chapters more but really it’s just that if we mess up it’s a way bigger deal than if a small chapter does

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question: i rushed last year with all the online stuff. i had what i would consider a really high gpa and before philanthropy, hence before ever talking to me, i was dropped by one OR house kinda randomly but all the “grades” houses kept me. no i didn’t know anyone in the house (apart from actives reaching out before no contact) but i didn’t know anyone in any house, so even though im very happy in the house im in ive always wondered why i was dropped that early. ive talked to other people and a lot of people had a similar experience with this house specifically, and i was surprised bc i would consider a lot of them having been top pnms. i was a non-bama legacy for a house but i think anyone could tell really easily i would not have fit in the chapter at bama (it was a looks house & kill it queens but that’s not really me) so i wouldn’t think that’s why i was dropped but idk

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and no i really don’t think i said anything that would’ve rubbed an active the wrong way, but who knows lol. either way im beyond happy to be where i am now

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by: aj   

like everyone else has mentioned, every house is pretty good at gauging what kind of girl is the best fit for them or if they can see the girl fitting in another house best. and yes we can do it from a 15 minute convo during IWT ! you’ll see when you practice scoring with your house. if you had a high gpa and didn’t know anyone, i can think of an OR house or 3 that would probably just see you fitting better else where based on your priorities, values and lack of connections. its a numbers game and we’re not going to waste an invite on a girl who wouldn’t fit in or want us (even if we liked you)
i’m in a house where i tend to rush the more laidback OOR girls (bc that’s who i am lol) and i can tell when they’re gonna want to go aphi/zta over us. or the type to go kd. every house offers something different and we can kinda sniff out what a pnm wants

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