kd, ddd, agd

OOS does not mean they are from up north or from outside of the south. All three first circle sororities have many girls from GA, North FL, East Texas and Miss this year.

The ones I met this weekend from outside of the south had connections here. Several went to boarding school up north, a few were born here but parents moved elsewhere and they still had family and family land here. Some were from up north went to boarding school in Georgia and South Carolina. But I met a lot of people this weekend and all week long, so I certainty don't remember all of them and why they decided to come here!!!

The girls I met during rush who got into First Circle sororities were mainly very southern and brought up in very southern families. The ones from non-southern states had very strong ties to the south such as grandmothers from AL who were in southern sororities, some girls from boarding schools, some whose families were from AL and GA. This is just my personal experience from meeting all the new girls this week.

Considering just a few years ago these same sororities were claiming they only took girls from AL, this just sounds like a lot of face saving. "Oh, we only take Southerm girls." Whatever. They'll take whatever they can to fill quota...or in KD's case quota-1.

You're ignoring a very important part of the make-up of the student population - the largest percentage of OOS going to Alabama are from nearby (southern) states, making the pool of northern OOS in rush a smaller number.

@breakdown what exactly are you considering "the south" and border states? I just tallied up non-southern states and got different numbers.
DDD = 13 (11.3%)
AGD = 18 (16.1%)
KD = 12 (11.2%)

that changes the percentage a good amount if you ask me (doubles them in most). and i was being generous by not including VA in the non-southern states (let's be honest, NOVA and the rest of VA should just separate) Also are you considering NC a "boarder state" as well? If you ask me you are grasping at straws here to keep making it look like these 3 are still the most exclusive groups. It used to be, as far as i have heard from my parents, that if you weren't from Alabama, Mississippi, GA, or a proper area of Nothern Florida or TN, you didn't get into these houses. And while there is no denying that they are still primarily "southern", they have come a long way from where they were in my parents' time.

I also query what person comes to UA from a non-southern state that doesn't have SOME southern connection, however fleeting that could be used to bolster their southern cred?

If you have to ask what the south is or what the border states are then you are prob a Yankee. If you do not consider VA a southern state then you def are a Yankee. Yes, northern VA has had a bunch of northerners come down and ruin it, but many, many families in northern VA are from the south and very proud of it. And the rest if VA is very southern. Virginia was the home to the Capitol of the CSA. By just deciding a state isn't going to be part of the south anymore because some northerners moved to one area of it, is the reason why we are not open to people from the north! You have no respect for tradition or where our families come from. There are many people from VA who have families that fought and died for the state if VA, and regardless of what side your family fought on (if any), is very rude and disrespectful to disregard those who died for their state. I mean my gosh, Gen. Robert E Lee is from VA! Furthermore, you had to ask if NC is a border state? Can you be more offensive? But I guess if some northerners decide to move there then suddenly some know-it-all Yankees will deem it not part of the south. If you people want to fit in here so badly, it is recommended you mind our history, people and traditions. Also, you make it hard for girls coming down south because you only add to the sterotype of the "typical Yankee"... Not fair to them at all!

@the south...and you only add to the stereotype of typical, close minded southerner. so what? forgive me and my upbringing, my parents just thought it would be good for their children to get out of the southern bubble and experience a culture other than our own. And i can only recommend the same for you.
I love our traditions and everything about where I was raised, but you cannot deny the fact that we continually shoot ourselves in the foot with arguments like these. People from Alabama don't go to UA anymore. OOS has risen so much in the past years. And why? UA practically gives money away to northerners to come down here for school. Many Northern girls i know go here practically for free it's ridiculous.
Maybe if you have such a disdain for Notherners you should write a letter to your congressman, or at least the admissions office and tell them NO MORE NORTHERNERS PLEASE. Maybe they'll listen to your history lesson.

DKE, SAE and KA are already working on

Don't know if they care so much what people think of them, maybe you shouldn't either. And who knows, they could've traveled the world and that's why the love the south so much...they realize how great they had it here and appreciate it even more. That's what has happened with me at least. I've lived in CA and Europe and it made me love the south and its traditions even more than I ever have! That's why I find it disrespectful when people try to dismiss what the south is, because after all there's no place like home!

we just have to agree to disagree. I will continue to show my southern pride in a more respectful manner towards notherners, perhaps in a way that will make them actually respect it as well, and you can fly off the handle and start spouting historical facts they quite frankly do not care about and calling them disrespectful yanks.

I'm from up north and in a sorority at UA and I really find it offensive that someone would stereotype all northerners as not caring about history. Not caring about your country's history is a terrible character trait and one that not all or even most northerners have. I have ancestors who fought for both the north and south and I'm a history minor. So yes, I deeply care about AL history. Also, if a northerner is thinking of coming to UA and has no respect for history or tradition then this is not the school for you. This is a main reason why I came to UA: because I REALLY care about its history and I am SO honored to be a part of it. If anyone wants to come to school here, yets Wants to disregard UA history, we don't want you here, no matter if you are from the north or south!

Write your rep in congress?! Why would we do that when DKE and KA alum ARE the congress. We can just bring it up to them next time we see them at Indian Hills. If These people get the campus police building and other buildings torn down so they can have a house across from the stadium... Then I'm sure they will make sure UA tradition doesn't change all that much! Def no worries here!

Sooooo true about DKE and KA! Especially DKE! They will make sure things don't change too much. That's what they've been doing best since the 1840s!
w.g. Yall! Haha

Love the w.g. comment lol!