How tough is it to get a bid at a mid?
by: FroshI’m looking at all the mid houses (Pike, PSK, PiKapp, PhiTau) and I’m just wondering how tough it will be this year to get bids? Should I maybe consider rushing lower mids too? I’m just looking for a socially relevant house
Commentby: lolFeb 15, 2021 12:21:52 AM
by: OkFeb 15, 2021 7:51:16 AM
by: lolFeb 15, 2021 11:44:36 AM
lol I am in a upper mid frat, just quoting what has been said on this site many many times.
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by: lol 2.0Feb 15, 2021 11:55:15 AM
You can't have a mixer with the ski team, KSig, PhiDelt and still call out your primary rush competitor / mixing partner lol
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by: FroshFeb 15, 2021 12:07:10 PM
^Does PSK really have parties with just lower frats and a lower sorority?
Why is PSK even Mid?
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by: lol 2.1Feb 15, 2021 12:26:57 PM
oth PSK and PhiTau have mixers with PSS roughly the same amount. But PSK got so desperate for multis that they threw an event like that. They don't regularly do that but the fact they did was mad funny.
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#2 by: pledgemaster
varies by house. Pike is known for being a looser with bids. Pike especially as their entire allure is being the largest house at Cornell. They have dropped 30-40+ bids in the past couple of rush cycles. However their brohood suffers massively because of it. PSK also gives a lot of bids but not as much as Pike. PiKapp and PhiTau are in an interesting position this rush. PiKapp while looser with bids but not as much as Pike, is losing their senior class which is their best class (23 guys I think). Likewise, PhiTau is also losing their massive (25 man) senior class which is arguably the best senior class in the mids. PhiTau is generally tighter with bids opting to not bid for numbers to preserve their brohood. But given the massive losses they both will take, I think PiKapp and PhiTau will be looser with bids.
by: FroshFeb 14, 2021 10:19:27 PM
Even if they are looser than usual, how feasible is it for a regular dude without connections to end up in a c4 mid?
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by: pledgemasterFeb 14, 2021 10:24:42 PM
yes that the mids generally do not require dirty rush at all. At most, they will at the moment have 5-6 guys they know they will give bids too and maybe 1-2 they know will join but the bulk of their class will be kids they met in rush. For reference just think of it like this.
Frat - (kids before first contacts)(total bids)(estimated pc size)
Pike - 140 - 40 - 20
PiKapp - 140 - 35 - 15-20
PhiTau - 120 - 30 - 15-20
PSK - 120 - 35 - 15-20
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by: BXFeb 15, 2021 2:01:06 PM
by: pledgemasterFeb 15, 2021 2:27:23 PM
Those houses do a fair bit of dirty rushing. So this is how I would lay it out.
House - (kids before first contacts)(total bids)(dirty rush bids)(estimated pc size)
At the end of the day, if you actually vibe with a house and bros like you (and not just the social status) that will come through regardless of how few bids they give.
ZBT - 150 - 30 - 5 to 10 - 15
Chi Phi - 300 - 30 - 10 to 15 - 20
Sigma Pi - 350 - 25 - 15 to 20 - 20
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by: BXFeb 15, 2021 6:45:38 PM
@pledgemaster So what frats will be good for someone who doesn't know all that many people at Cornell
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#3 by: loll
Would say rush lower mids like KSig, AGR if you really just want a backup house. The C4 Mids while they all may be the average house for the average man are still somewhat selective. They all have a decent amount of bros (even PhiTau and PiKapp excluding their seniors) and have good enough srat relations to ride out a bad rush. They also still have a numbers advantage and can be selective. It is not like a bottom/lower house where you can show face for 1 hour total during rush and still land a bid. You still need to be socially competent/aware and be a cool kid overall.
by: FroshFeb 15, 2021 7:57:13 AM
But I feel like since pike for example bids a lot for numbers, if you spend enough time there they should be a safety, no?
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by: lollFeb 15, 2021 8:45:38 AM
When we say bid for numbers, we just mean a bit more than average. SO like as @pledgemaster noted, they bid like 5-10 more than the other frats which is not that much more. Especially cause a large chunk of the mid bids will go to kids who are actually upper mid kids rushing mids as safeties.
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by: lol 2.1Feb 15, 2021 11:58:30 AM
Yeah PiKapp and Pike got a little screwed on numbers last year because they were more or less the safety house for a lot of guys rushing upper mids who obviously took those bids instead.
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by: @pledgemasterFeb 15, 2021 12:22:57 PM
Similarly, how feasible would it be to rush an UpperMid like TDX or Lambda and use c4 mids as safeties (given no connections etc.)? I heard there’s no first/second contacts for this rush so how should I tell where I’d fit in/which houses are interested in giving me a bid?
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by: pledgemasterFeb 15, 2021 1:19:04 PM
I would be wary of using the C4 Mids as a safety in that context. If your targets are Lambda/TDX chances, your personality is not too far off from C4 Mids.
Just look to see if they invite you to hangout at night events or whatnot. Houses will still have them but only for like 5-10 rushes max and maybe like 15-20 bros max as opposed to the whole brohood. If a house is inviting you out consistently, that means they really like and value you. Say bid day you get a bid from a lower uppermid (lambda/tdx) and a C4 Mid, but uppermid has never invited you to hang and that C4 mid has. You are most likely just a number for them. Why would you want to join a brohood where the guys don't value you or are immediately wanting to hang with you.
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#5 by: Junior
Honestly, rush everywhere you can. My freshmen year I wouldn't have seen myself in a frat and now some of those guys are my best friends. Rush some lower mids like AGR DKE and KSig. Those are still solid houses and have good brotherhood dynamics. Being in a frat is more about the guys you're with than anything else.
#6 by: Junior
Honestly, rush everywhere you can. My freshmen year I wouldn't have seen myself in a frat and now some of those guys are my best friends. Rush some lower mids like AGR DKE and KSig. Those are still solid houses and have good brotherhood dynamics. Being in a frat is more about the guys you're with than anything else.
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by: LolFeb 14, 2021 10:44:37 PM
Phi Tau is still better than PSK, but you’re right that both are a step below Pike/PiKapp.
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