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which sororities drop the most girls during rush?

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Go to greek chat and read about RFM if you want an overview of why certain chapters cut more dramatically than others. we only know our own chapters number (vaguely) so no one here can give you real details except to say, the more popular a chapter has historically been with PNMs, the fewer PNMs it is allowed to invite back.

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ADPi, Zeta and Tri Delt.

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Sit down zeta.

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Chi O dropped too many girls last year. They got in trouble

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So did Zeta???

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by: Ummm no   

This is false. They're each assigned to keep different numbers of girls based on how popular they were in the past. Axo/xo/zeta have all been very popular among PNM's in recent years and therefore aren't able to invite as many back.

Don't go starting dumb rumors.

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Tri delt thinks everyone wants them and they cut too many girls but then they have to give out snap bids

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lol so tru

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by: PNM    

I heard Tri delt did this twice in the last few years and had to give snaps bids both times. I also heard that ADPi and XO cut the most girls after first round for grades. Is this true? I'm interested in both of them. Thanks

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by: PanhellenicHelp   

@PNM, ADPi and Chi O do cut for grades, but they have to get rid of more girls than just grade cuts. They are popular during rush (yes XO and AXO are popular during rush with PNMS, it doesn't matter if you're Team Top 4 or Top 6 it's just fact) so they are allowed to invite fewer girls back. It seems like they make a lot of cuts because they are restricted to so few invites. So there will be girls cut for grades, but there will also be girls that don't get invited back simply because there isn't enough room/ they didn't stand out enough to be kept.

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by: a different PNM   

That doesn't seem fair. You only have 20 mins. to make a good impression and stand out. I've heard that rush parties are load and that you can barely hear what's being said. Also, my cousin from a different town in S.C. told me all the pretty, smart girls from her town either go ADPi or XO so she'll already know girls there. I don't know anyone in those 2 sororities, so won't I be at a disadvantage in those 2?

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Just be yourself and that will give you the best chance possible :]

From GreekChat about RFM:

Release Figures

NPC endorses a formula which College Panhellenics may use in recommending the number of invitations a fraternity chapter should issue to insure their own membership recruiting success as well as to provide an opportunity to pledge the greatest number of women. The number (percentage) of PNMs that are invited back by each chapter is derived from a complex formula based on several years' worth of statistical data such as: number of invitation extended versus number accepted, number accepting bids versus number completing recruitment events, etc.

For more competitive campuses, this could mean that some chapters will be required to release 50% or more of the PNMs when the invitational rounds begin. As a result, it is strongly recommended that PNMs continue through the recruitment process, even if the invitations they receive appear to be, at first, less desirable. As has been stated several times before, opinions change during the week. If, at the time of Preference round, a PNM still does not have a strong connection to one or more groups, they can decline to sign their Membership Binding Agreement Card.

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I wouldn't call it "not fair" given the fact that every single active sorority member has had to go through the same exact process. Just do your best to make an impression on the girls you meet. I didn't know many actives when I came through rush and still ended up in an awesome house

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Thanks for your explanation. What does RFM stand for? Basically, does that mean the top 6 sororities there drop more girls since more girls want to pledge them? That doesn't seem fair either. Yikes!

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by: PanhellenicHelp   

Don't be nervous! I'd also like to emphasize again that for the most part, chapters are choosing girls to invite back until they fill up their invitation lists. We're not going in with the mindset of looking to "cut" as many girls as possible, our main priority is finding the girls we want to keep! There may be some great girls that we just don't have the party space for.

The best advice anyone can give you about recruitment is to be yourself! You should be looking for a house that you feel comfortable in as you and don't feel like you have to change to fit into-- and whether or not that house is "top 6" is irrelevant. Every sorority is the top sorority to its own members.

It stands for "Release Figure Methodology." Basically it's how 460 campuses nationally ensure that the most girls possible get bids. Trust the system. It is designed to maximize your options. It will all work out.

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AXO and XO rush really well and are always among pnm’s favorites, so they can cut a lot of girls. ADPi is just traditionally southern and christian so a lot of girls from the area want to rush them and they make big cuts for grades. DDD thinks they can cut a lot of girls, and then not enough girls want to come back to them so they have to give out snap bids after recruitment. KD is sooooo different during rush than in real life...a lot of people are weirded out by the touching thing but they rush pretty well and then drop off the face of the earth after. the rest of us take what we can get tbh

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is a strategy that chapters across the country use because a lot of really good girls drop from recruitment just because it's stressful or a big commitment, so when you're the only "top tier" chapter offering snap bids, it looks really good to those girls and you collect all the hot girls who otherwise would have finished recruitment in a top house.

It's not publicized because it's really risky, but for most chapters' exec/recruitment boards and alumni associations they prefer to cut the "ehhh" girls and then get to hand pick from the girls who dropped than get stuck with "ehhh" girls. Also many chapters will encourage girls to "drop" form the process early, save their time, and then pick them up during snap bids.

As northern as DDD is here, I honestly think that's what they're doing. Their alumni aren't as consistently active, so they come in hardcore during recruitment to make up for lost time, plus the girls are in the perfect situation to be manipulative of the pnms, to try to get them to drop.

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How many snap bids can they actually give? Is that the same as quota plus or does that go to house total? Do they have a lot of older members that have dropped and so they have "room"? Girls won't even know when they are snapped will they?

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Chapters can snap until they reach total.
Total is the number of women Panhellenic wants to be in each chapter, so for example 200.
Then quota is the pledge class size, so if chapter XYZ has 140 and chapter ABC has 145, chapter ABC will take 5 less girls as their "quota".
Quota Plus is when the university has to uphold their promise of you maximizing your options and then being guaranteed a bid. So if chapter XYZ has to take 60 girls, but there are 3 girls at preference who are ONLY at chapter XYZ, then the option for RFM is that those three women (assuming their not in the top 60 placement) take precedent over any women in the top 60 matched who did not maximize their options or to "Quota Plus" those women into the chapter and create a pledge class of 60+3
These "Quota Plus" is what top tier chapters like adpi, zeta, and ddd are trying to avoid, because those women are force added, or can be added over pnms who those chapters may prefer, they would rather "over cut" early and get rid of those girls who might slip in and then they can snap and select on their own who they want from the list of girls who dropped. It's more in their control that way.

Girls will know if they are snapped because a snap bid can come from any house (maybe not even on your most recent list) and the pnm must specifically accept it.

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What if you maximize your options, attend the max number of parties each round and list 2 for pref night... Is it possible that the two you list as first and second don't offer you a bid and if so then what?

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yeah zetas stalk the crap out of this site and self rank. middle tier at best

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by: No   

That's dumb

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DDD dropped 1100 girls after round one, which is WAY too many.

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DDD ad ADPi both cut too many. Some really great girls were overlooked!

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by: PNM    

I thought each chapter is told by Panhell how many girls they have to cut and how many they have to invite back. Don't they have to abide by that?

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by: Not sure   

XO and KD cut that many too so that's probably a right number.

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by: @alloftheabove   

Gonna have to go with @notsure on this one.... Just because you personally think they cut too many doesn't mean they actually did. Several houses had to cut 1000 girls.

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by: creek   

means phi mu will get a lot of those girls

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