if you had a little brother, which house?

Alcoholics or worse lol

I'd say beta/ex/fiji and phi delt/phi psi if he doesn't get one of those.

Lol is this a joke??

good one

I actually think the same thing about SAE

I have to agree. Sae is def up and coming. Or u could go fiji and phi si bc the only 2 places that they are good in the entire country is here and purdue. U want to be part of the undisputed national kings? Then go sig chi or sae. Sig eps, pikes are next tier. Kappa sigs, lxa next. Then delts, betas, ato, snu. Get with the rest of the country iu and stop making mid tier at best national fraternities like fiji and phi si good here. Everyone laughs when they hear what the good frats are here except sig chi. Freaking hillbillys can't get anything right

an idiot and don't know anything about Greek life nationally, and your idea of the national rankings is poor at best. Just don't insert your opinion on this matter again since you don't know what you're talking about. Also, who picks houses based on national ranks (especially when their idea of the national rankings is bunk)?

where exactly did you do your research "ashamed"? Because your impression of them is terrible. The top 5 fraternities are all among the largest and strongest in the US. Fiji, ATO, SX, and Pi Kapp are all big SEC/Southern powerhouses and are all strong in other areas, Beta is avery wealthy national fraternity, SAE is strong elsewhere, but is nothing special at Indiana. Phi Psi is very old and prominent in a lot of the Northeast and West Coast. Sig Ep does the Balanced Man thing and kills good chapters regularly, and Pike is a very mixed bag to say the least, those two aren't the clear next best after SAE and SX nationally. Delt is good, but not better than any of the top chapters nationally. Beyond that, schools' tier systems don't conform to some national rank. At least if you're going to make stupid comments actually research it a bit first.

Ok so slots 3 thru 10 r debatable and every house is pretty strong. What is not debatable is the fact that sigma chi and sae are the top two. I've done the research and they are the best by a clear long shot

Ok ashamed. I will give u on a national level, sigma chi and sae are the top two. Both are strong in virtually every area and are the best known. But the rest of your rankings are not accurate. And no fiji is not a powerhouse in the sec. That's just not true at all. They have a few strong chapters but pikes and sig eps are much more well known and are better than fiji at virtually every school. Ato is not a powerhouse anywhere but u of illinois. That's it. Phi psi dominant in the northwest and west? Haven't done much traveling in your life bc that's also nowhere near true. Delts, betas, phi delts, sn ato are pretty even.

Won't argue there, they are the clear top 2. I'd say Kappa Sig, ATO, Beta, Fiji, Pike, Pi Kapp, Phi Delt, Sigma Nu, Lambda Chi, Sig Ep, and Delt are all kind of in a milieu for the next strongest houses nationally, but the biggest point was that all the top houses are still strong houses nationally (coming from someone who's looked into it pretty extensively).

Sig Ep is not better than Fiji nationally nor is Pike, and yes Fiji is a big SEC house. Your knowledge is actually damn poor.

You really could use traveling and research yourself, because you clearly haven't done either, but are pretending you have to give false weight to your opinion. Coming from someone who's looked into it way more than you, just stop talking.

Ok let's remove sigma chi and sae. Seems like we can all agree they are the top 2. Give me your opinion if there is a clear 3 thru 5. I would say kappa sig, pikes, sig eps

After sigma chi and sae, I would say its betas, sig eps and tke. Lol just kidding, kappa sig not tke

Indiana's page should just stop bringing up national tiers. There are some schools in the SEC and Big 12 where people who actually knew what they were talking about made lists that were actually accurate, but every time they get brought up here, the person seems to have a very bizarre Midwest bias that doesn't reflect the whole country at all (for instance most of the top tier houses at Indiana are big Southern fraternities, but not necessarily big in the Midwest in general, and Sig Ep is pretty weak in most of the South/Atlantic Coast but pretty good in the Midwest). The lists then end up weighed toward more Midwestern houses (Beta, Sig Ep, LXA) instead of balancing out for the whole country. iumac does a pretty poor job, and ashamed didn't do much better, although he could concede certain points at least.

Very clear Midwest bias here.

Ummm so pike is way stronger than fiji in the south so you know. Fiji is good here, purdue a couple of sec schools and u of texas and that's it. In the south its , in order, sae, ka, sx, pike sig nu, ato and then maybe fiji. You are right, sig eps are not that good outside of the midwest

I'd say Kappa Sig is probably the number 3, but after that, the next 10 or so houses would have too much of a regional bias to create a clear top 5, so you could probably just put them in one big group to be most accurate. Someone in the Northeast or South wouldn't put Sig Ep in the top 5, someone in the Northeast or West Coast wouldn't put Pike in the top 5, etc.

Southern, based on what you saw on those universities pages, who did they have as national top tier?

Pike is not Stronger in the South, and being from the South I know for a fact. Pike is probably the 9th or 10th strongest house in the South. No one in the South would say Pike is that high, and they've been slipping here in general. The top 10 houses in the South are in no order SAE, SX, KA, SN, Fiji, Phi Delt, Pike, Pi Kapp, ATO, and Kappa Sig just for some perspective.

@dreamer SAE and SX by themselves. The next 10 or so which have been mentioned repeatedly were all basically in one or two other tiers below that. Every top and upper middle tier house at Indiana was fairly near the top though, and the top 15-20 national fraternities are all really good.

Southern nailed it. I think people think pikes are better than they are in the south especially because they are very high in total initates and are ridiculously strong at florida state. That may be as dominant of a chapter of fraternity as there is in the country.

Maybe to offer some guidance so that her little brother joins a house with a high degree of prestige which fiji and pi kapps don't have bc they are good at 5 schools in the country. It is also relevant because what is a good house today can change over the next 4 years. It is relevant bc your better national houses like sx and sae offer a network of opporturnIities beyond your 4 years of college that a house like fiji, which isn't a top 10 house, will never be able to offer. This isn't fantasy land peter pan, don't be mad that you joined a house that's only good at a few schools and is slipping fast

Fiji is one of the oldest fraternities, yet aren't even in the top 10 in terms of total initiates. That means more men have decided to join at least 10 other fraternities instead of becoming a fiji. Sig eps on the other hand was founded 60 years later and only 2 other fraternities, sx and sae, can say they have more total members and people say fiji is stroger than us? Lol yeah ok. Sux being u on your island

Also you do realize that all these houses have initiated over 100,000 people and have alumni networks right? Hell, TKE has a poor national reputation, but a huge alumni network with a lot of successful people. If you're arguing for connections your an idiot (not surprising) because any house with over 100 chapters will have plenty. Fiji and Pi Kapp both have prominent alumni and major business connections, and unlike SAE are strong at Indiana. The point is, these are all among the large/major national fraternities, and all have networking options, which you have to be really stupid to argue against. On that basis, the only reason to join SAE over any top/upper houses is to get a slightly bigger network, and because you don't care about undergraduate experience. Literally don't know what you're talking about on any cylinder, and sound like a self-promoting SAE.

I'm a dke transfer from syracuse not an sae nor do I care about them. Its just a fact that fiji has nowhere near the business contacts a big outfit like sigma chi and sae with both over 300000 members which is about twice as many as a middle of the road fraternity like fiji. Sae and sigma chi national headquarters are right in evanston near chicago so their alumni network in this area is much stronger than fiji or pi kapp. Its not even comparable. Stop being so angry that u made a clown move and joined a house that's good at here and about 5 other places lol. You probably weren't able to get into sigma chi and sae has been on probation for a long time so they weren't available. You had to settle, its ok

No one said they were as big as SAE or SX. Both Fiji and Phi Psi have had a president, all 3 have had many Congressman and Senators, and I seriously doubt DKE has had more than all 3 combined. I also know that all 3 have strong chapters in certain Northeastern states. Obviously they aren't bigger than the top two fraternities in the US, but all 3 are still larger in chapters, undergrads, and lifetime initiates than the majority of the IFC houses and all 3 have plenty of good chapters. It's not like simply by virtue of not being the very top houses nationally they are weak, and in all honesty they are all among the better non-"big 2" chapters. All have prominent alumni in business, politics, entertainment, etc.

There you go with you disinformation again. They all have a single president? Wow, but we have 6. That's more than all of u and sae and sigma chi combined. And you don't know for a fact they have good chapters in the northeast. Like I said pi kapps and fiji are completley unknown and irrelevant in the northeast. They are not good anywhere there. Not at one school.

Both are top tier at a few big Northeastern schools, you're the one spreading misinformation actually. Also DKE has 5 presidents, not 6, FDR got evicted for joining two houses.

Ok 5, initiated 6 but if u don't want to count fdr, fine. The point still stands and we have scott disick, top that tough guy

I looked into for ya, so I'll give you my findings. It appears Fiji only has something like 5 or 6 chapters in the Northeast. As for Pi Kapp, they definitely don't appear to be Northeast centered, but are pretty big in Pennsylvania schools specifically. Both are pretty heavily Southern/Western houses by the numbers.

DKE certainly strong alumni, anyone would agree.

Scott disick, he's got u there man, dkes the best lol. Let's change the topic and name the biggest famous douche each house has. We know dkes lol. Ours, sigma chi, would be sean payton for his involvment and cover up of the pay to injure program at the saints

I'm a Pike and without a doubt our biggest douche is jim parsons from big bang theory. He is the antithesis of what we are.

Why phi sig?