how did dphie only get 13???

Those people were forced to go to their pref by the recruitment rules. But they suicided on their bid card because being a herd is far more preferable that being associated with DPhiE. Sad truth.

Fact: there were very few people who suicided (less than 70), not all went to DPhiE pref, and most of those ended up with no bid at all.

Plenty of people who were forced to go to DPhiE did suicide. But they got bids from the sorority they wanted and put #1.

Literally anyone who had another choice in addition to DPhiE chose that other sorority. That's how you have a zillion people at your preferences (due to your low return rates) and get only 13 new members.

I literally don’t know why people are downvoting the suiciding PNM comments they’re literally what happened. Take it from someone who worked on recruitment....

Yup, agreed

No one misunderstood anything. Being a geed is better than spending four years with barnyard animals.

They’re most likely trying to kick the small houses to keep them down because tey benefit directly from that (ex ranked just above them in the hierarchy), instead of working together and supporting one another to change the system.

One thing I’ve heard that rings true: women think the sorority makes them, men think they make the fraterity.

I just don't get all the negativity. If people think "bottom Tier" are not anything why comment. Leave them alone. Maybe try helping them out. Clearly plenty of women did not get bids.
D Phi E has a cute pledge class and I hope they enjoy their new sisterhood. I suggest if you want to be in Greek life, go to Informal and check them and whomever else is doing informal out

Those that are ranked above them should be doing everything they can to support these chapters. Someone will, sadly, always be considered bottom. If things get so bad for them that they fold, those nearest to the bottom become the new campus target. Everyone should be working to strengthen the entire system...not cheering for XOs troubles or making jokes about chapters that did not make quota.

That’s exactly what happened at Ole Miss for Theta. They were berated so much no PNMs would give them a chance and eventually their nationals closed them. What’s the end goal of telling a chapter they’re the worst and they’ll never get better? You want PNMs to write them off so you have more to choose from? Then what? When that chapter inevitably closes, you take its spot as the new lowest, worst, most unthinkable chapter.

Plus, they're doing informal so I'm sure they'll get more great girls.

It seems that this thread was set up by someone trying to tear down DPhiE, not sure why. DPhiE doesn't deserve this at all.

Schools in the south tend to have better placement rates for lower chapters. Alabama in particular is really good at this, their bottom houses either make quota or come very close every year.

There are two main differences I think:
1. Ranks at a lot of SEC schools are based on sisterhood, grades, involvement, not looks or pairs. When you’re rushing for the best sisterhood for you, you’re probably more likely to accept a bid to any house. It’s also not a big deal to be bottom at schools like bama or UGA, you mostly have the same opportunities. There may be fewer debutantes in your PC but that’s NBD for most people lol.

2. Most big southern schools like alabama and ole miss for example don’t have any nationals on campus I would consider “small.” UGA has one, d phi e, and they really struggle even though they have a house. Girls are way more likely to accept a bid to a lower house if they’re popular nationally like gamma phi or dg.

Unfortunately these things are not really feasible for IU but it’s all up to sorority members to change the system in ways that it can be changed.

Schools in the South like Bama, it's better to be Greek period than not at all. As for Ole Miss, they lost a chapter based on numbers not that long ago because the system was horrid to them. IU could learn from Ole Miss to try to build their system up instead of tearing each other down. DPhiE, ASA, TPA...they were all chosen by the IU CPC to join your campus. They didn't just come in and say hey, we want a chapter. Unity comes from within, and until the leaders start practicing it and being the example, the community will continue to act this way.

NOT TRUE, re: your comment about DPhiE being the smallest national group at IU...

1) I believe that AEPhi is ACTUALLY the smallest NPC (with fewer than 50 chapters nationally).

2) From the chapter numbers I have seen, AEPhi, SDT, ASA, and TPA are all SMALLER than DPhiE on a NATIONAL level.

DPhiE is more than double AEPhi's size nationally (107 chapters) actually pretty strong in some places (ex. FL and the Northeast).

As a comparison, AGD has about 112 chapters nationally, so overall DPhiE is around a similar size on a national level. Sure, AGD has more presence in the south and midwest, but what I'm saying is that DPhiE as a national organization is by no means small.

Just clearing that up. I don't think that national reach is the end all be all obviously, but from that perspective DPhiE is certainly NOT the smallest NPC at IU.

Whoops I just did a re-count on AGD and they have 126, but all the rest of the stuff I said is 100% true.

I just verified the following numbers from each respective national website/chapter listing.

AEPhi has 49 active chapters, TPA has 58 active chapters, SDT has 62 active chapters, ASA has 100 active chapters. DPhiE has 104 active chapters.

So DPhiE is the biggest of this bunch. Definitely not the smallest national at IU. Estimates I saw on Wikipedia and other sites were around these numbers, but these are accurate values pulled from the national listings themselves.

If it doesn’t matter, why did you bring it up as if you were making a point?

Just accept that your point was bad instead of getting butthurt yourself.

I would say that the top SEC chapters emphasize a broad mix of grades, involvement, looks, sisterhood, social calendar, and tradition.

At Bama, the top three are the best in their area of strength. The top "hot" house also has a stellar GPA, solid involvement, and a clean, scandal-free social rep. The top house for grades and involvement still has quite a members who are really pretty in a classic, understated way. And the top party house, despite a longstanding wild-child rep, still has a GPA of just under 3.5, along with a reputation as the nicest and most down to earth of the "rich" houses, as well as the one that's most open to OOS/OOR girls.

On the other hand, just looks or just grades and involvement aren't enough by themselves. The houses that rush just for looks have the worst grades and tons of rep risks, and they tend to have retention issues because the sisterhood is weak. A few of the bottom/lower-mid houses have an average GPA above 3.5, but they don't have as many pretty, confident, socially outgoing members as the top and middle houses.

NO IU chapter INTENTIONALLY makes EVERY PNM believe she has a lock on a bid. NONE. The perception problem as to "locked-in" bids rests with pnms misunderstanding the intent of their hostesses.

EVERY IU chapter makes their GUESTS feel WELCOME and APPRECIATED. Being good hostesses does not equal intentionally making every pnm believe she has a lock on a bid!

In addition to top tier homes possibly overselling themselves (altho I do not believe that to be true) sometimes IU pnm women just heavily want to be a part of those top tier groups that have homes extra close to campus, and that have long long long IU histories.

i liked a lot of houses and only chose one. you can like somewhere, can see yourself somewhere, and just like somewhere else better.

You should concentrate on yourselves DPhiE. If you wouldn't spend all your time on here talking about how great you really are and how PNMs misunderstood (hint:they didn't) and work in yourselves instead, that would be a start. We all have eyes and can see how tragic you are. So did PNMs and spinning fairy tales here won't change your sad reality

Learn to read please ....

I said she’s eating her words now...In other words she regrets being judgemental and she’s a good mom. She grew up and became more accepting when she faced real life by force.

My ‘mom was in a Low middle tier house and had a blast.

Actually I’m in my mom’s friends’s house now, so what your narrow mind would call top tier.