iu recruitment needs change

Guys get fall and spring. And generally rush only their top 3 choices. If it doesn't work out with them they re rush spring without the negative stigma and bashing girls get when they re rush. I know of a ton of guys who re rushed and got in great houses and other dudes didn't make fun of them and tell them they were just going to be rejected again.

There are a whole bunch of lower tier fraternities that suffer and struggle when they aren't everyone's top 2 or top 3 choice.

Fraternity recruitment sucks for lower tier houses. Honestly I have huge respect for the unhoused fraternities that still manage to get chapter sizes of 70+ because nearly noone is going into rush looking to join them, and fraternity recruitment isn't structured well enough to give them a chance at having guys come to them.

I guess if you call lying, cheating, stealing, manipulating, shaming, permiscuity, etc. similar values, then don't be suprised when your chapters get bashed.

Some pnms have convos with 3 ppl in a chapter and are cut. That is the sority making the choice that Greek life isn't for the pnm not the pnm given the opportunity/choice/chance to make her own decision if Greek like is for her. You can't say Greek life isn't for everyone when 50% or more of the girls are cut because chapters want to remain exclusive and so pnms are not saying all of a sudden cuz didn't like me so I guess I'm not cut out for it. 20% of the pnms were sophomores this year if that tells anything. They likely got cut last year and was like wtf I deserve a chance to be in Greek life. Do what Bama does and take larger pledge classes, allow more to live off campus. It actually maximizes profits if you have 50 girls paying a high live out fee and a full house paying full fees

You're absolutely right. The women who are already in an organization get to choose who joins their organization for the most part. Which makes sense until you get your feelings hurt because you're not as "top tier" as you think you are.

Agree 100% - TIME'S UP

This right here is the problem. Making bigger pcs won't change the issue. That would only force "less desirable" chapters to close. What would improve the entire system and keep pnms that now drop, would be to rotate pairings for Little 5, Hoco etc so that every frat and every sorority had opportunities to get to know one another. That would break down the stigma associated with tiers and show EVERYONE how much more we are alike than different.

Yes and YES.

Only a short decade ago IU absolutely needed the additional NPC groups due to the high level of pnm interest. This combined with the eventual need of housing for same new groups, and erasing several on-campus stigmas associated with fraternal life. SLOWLY our IU system has been working towrad solutions to all these situations. Every year gets better and better for the IU greek system. Lower quotas would NOT be in our best interests! And there are only TWO NPC groups not yet currently on campus.

So your idea of lower total but more groups will not hold water.

There are 4 not on campus: Delta Delta Delta, Phi Sigma Sigma, Sigma Sigma Sigma, Alpha Sigma Tau.

There are 26 NPC sororities and 22 of them are at IU. You obviously aren't a math major. There are four chapters not represented at IU: Alpha Sigma Tau, Phi Sigma Sigma, Sigma Sigma Sigma and Delta Delta Delta.

Please stop comparing IU and Bama. It's obvious that you don't understand how the quotas are figured. At every other campus in the country other than IU, it's simple math. You divide the number of women who are invited to a preference party by the number of chapters. This year around 1200 women were eligible for a bid and 22 chapters, that's 54.5. Quota was 55. Here's the IU issue. Too many girls drop because they feel like they are too good for the chapters they are invited to for pref. At larger schools like Bama, UGA, Arizona, there aren't all the drops we have. The reason the pledge classes are larger is because women would rather take a chance on being Greek than not being Greek at all. Don't say it's the houses. A very small percentage of the women in a chapter at SEC schools live in the house.

Until girls realize that they aren't too good for any chapter and stick with the process, nothing will change.

Interesting. Is there any panhell delegates here that can voice these suggestions or concretely review this years recruitment?

A lot of pnms do not take suiciding lightly. Many don't suicide a house because they think they are too good for them. They do it because they have nothing in common, or may have a personal conflict with someone, or absolutely are already involved in the philanthropy their other choice is involved and don't want to switch philanthropies, and on and on. Most of you all get so uptight about this subject but I don't see you running to the doors and joining and telling your friends to join the houses that aren't full. and you are kidding yourself if you think there isn't a difference between popular houses and not so popular houses or even middle houses such as DG for instance who pick up mostly legacies and premeds or theta who pick up a ton of Kelley and WIB girls. Or say DPHIE happened to be a top house at IU, they have opened their chapter up to transgenders. Not giving a personal opinion about any of these but some pnms may not personally feel comfortable in any of those houses for those reasons. Or the sisters in those houses make the decision for u given the little background they have on you and decide you wouldn't fit in. Pnms have only one thing they are truly in control of during rush here and it is to suicide at pref or drop at some point along the way. The "ranking" does nothing for a pnm it gives them zero control until slightly during pref. So stop getting mad that girls suicide or drop m. Change the system. Maybe let them pick their top chapters after 22 party and guarantee they get to go to at least 8 of their top 16 and cut at least half of their bottom 7, instead of girls getting back all 7 of their bottom and being cut from all their tops. Just a thought.

You are completely unrealistic, well maybe idealistic is a better word actually. Smart PNMs understand that the recruitment process is completely skewed in the favor of the houses until preference. They are the organizations bearing the risk and the liability, they should get to choose. Girls sign up for recruitment, they are agreeing to the process in a way.

I am not buying the altruistic "some girls don't want to change philanthropy" notion. Out of the 1200 PNMs who went to pref, I can guarantee you that a high percentage of them have a personal connection somehow to at least one of these philanthropies of ZTA (breast cancer awareness), ASA (Special Olympics), AXiD (Autism awareness), ADPi (Ronald McDonald House) and SK (Alzheimer's Association). Every chapter participates in IUDM if they are that interested in philanthropy. Nice try though.

And popularity is a fluid construct, so again I am not buying it. DDD was one of the "most popular" chapters and they are gone. That popularity did not help them at all. Popularity does not guarantee sisterhood. This is why IU fails as a whole at recruitment because popularity does not equal sisterhood. Pretty does not always equal kind. I am pretty sure I could have joined almost any of the 22 chapters and found a support system. I am not to oblivious to believe that there aren't some amazing women in every chapter.

Just letting PNMs pick whatever chapters they want after 22 party isn't going to help any chapters currently struggling with retention/quota when there's such a stigma with tiers. If every PNM gets to go back to whatever chapters they rank, that's essentially saying "even if these chapters don't think you're the right fit, you get to go back because everyone on an anonymous website says they're the best". Of course PNMs think there's a difference between a "popular" house and an "unpopular" house, which is why your suggestion makes no sense. You can't have 1700 pnms all going back to Pi Phi, Chi O, and APhi every night just because they want to. You have a personal conflict with one person in a chapter of over 100 women? Tough. Learn to deal with it like a grown up. You are already involved in breast cancer awareness and don't want to start volunteering for the girl scouts? Well being a part of a philanthropic organization means doing volunteer work. Being a part of a national organization means doing things you don't always want to do. And if you're not charitable enough to help with a week's worth of philanthropy, then you're not really than philanthropic.

The real solution here is for IU to just abide by NPC regulations by setting a total and taking QAs. The process to resolve the problems will be slow, but total exists for a reason. Every campus deals with drama and tiers and PNMs who drop, but IU is the only campus with such a large scale recruitment that doesn't set a total, and it's hurting the PNMs because they don't understand how recruitment works. If Panhel abides by NPC, PNMs will understand the benefits to not suiciding, will have the opportunity to be a QA, and can think their second choice chapter over more carefully. The solution is definitely NOT going backwards from NPC regulations and making up a random way for PNMs to get invites. If you want to do that, then every chapter should just go local and follow their own rules where PNMs get to pick whatever houses they go back to. You agree to be a part of a national council, you abide by their rules.

PNMs at IU have a full Fall Semester to absorb the ins-and-outs of sorority recruitment, as IU does not insist recruitment occur one week before Fall classes begin. How is that four month time frame (plus the three months of summer between HS and college) not enough to become fully familiar with the process of sorority tours, invitations and bids?