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I am going to be attending IU in the fall and I plan on going through sorority rush. I've heard some stories that a lot of girls don't get a bid, even girls that fit the "sorority girl" profile completely. What does it take to get into a sorority here?

Posted By: futurehoosier
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It all just depends, there is no set formula or way to determine if you will get a bid or not. There are now 21 sororities (and possibly a 22nd coming in the fall) so it is getting a little easier. However, there is lots of competition for the "top" sororities, but I honestly think it is what you make of it. A lot of the girls who didn't get bids was because of grades. The minimum GPA is a 2.7, but you will get dropped from a lot of the sororities if you don't have at least a 3.0. it is based on your first semester grades so make those a priority when you get to college. Another thing that could help you is getting recommendations. Anyone you know that was in a sorority can write you a rec. It does not really affect your chances of getting a bid, but it does allow the sororities to know who you are and invite you to pre-rush events. All the best and don't stress about it, if its meant to be, it will be.

By: HoosierInsider
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The reality of rushing at IU is over half the girls do not get bids. Many of these girls are outstanding women and would be vital to the IU Greek community. It is sad with so many young women wanting to be actively involved in this time of social awareness are turned away on the basis of how many beds are available. This is a travesty IU...overhaul your system!

By: reality
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You're not owed a house for rushing. If you take out any kind of exclusivity, you get huge groups with no identities that might as well be clubs.

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by: ^^   

Although those numbers are terrible, it sounds like the problem is that IU needs more sororities, not that the system is broken.

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This issue is that IU is the only school in the country to use a bed quota system and that many chapters restrict or do not encourage senior live-outs. Unfortunately it is simply math--fewer beds, fewer opportunities. The system does need to change; IU has too many PNM's get all the way through to 3 party only to end up with no bids. Even the SEC and the ACC schools have better outcomes. Greek life SHOULD NOT be exclusive--there should be a place for everyone who meets recruitment criteria. The two new un-housed chapters (both with successful recruitments so far) are helping a bit, but not enough to make a significant difference. Good luck to all!

By: old Rho Gam
by: Exclucivity    

is essential to Greek life. Various membership standards make it exclusive in nature, and if you really want the best people for the organization then you have to be exclusive. That's not a bad thing because maintaining no standards hurts Greek life in various ways, and letting everyone in basically defeats the purpose (not to mention lack of standards ends up with members who get their GLOs in trouble). Those numbers are terrible and the system needs fixing, but Greek Life is inherently exclusive and you're kidding yourself if you think that's a bad thing.

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Short of making all the existing organizations so big that no one knows each other and so random and incompatible that they have no identity, the only real fix would be to add several more sororities.

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Selectivity does not equal exclusivity. Every house has " standards" and " criteria" ( most completely subjective I would add), that does not mean there should not be a place for those who have the academic, philanthropic, and activity focused drive to participate and find a fit sonewhere. Yes, there will always be disappointment inherent in the process, but as the poster above makes the point, there are ways to improve it. Other campus Panhels set totals for chapters so that they do not become overwhelming large. In addition, these houses need to allow, encourage, even require senior live-outs. Thirdly, national chapters, and national panhel need to be involved and supportive about leveling the playing field. Lastly, there are only 26 national chapters in total. One ( the largest) is very resistant to returning and thr remaining four may not have the required financial support needed to establish on a campus the size of IU. Adding additionsl chapters will not solve the problem-- it is incumbent upon IU Panhellenic and the individual and national chapters to be willing to let the system continue to evolve.

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thought. IU has something like 21 sorority chapters (which is unusually high),, and a lot of schools manage better numbers than that with 13 or 14 chapters, the system really is broken and needs to be reevaluated.

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Woah Mom's get a grip. When you went to college yes legacies meant something. Now they don't. There are so many legacies at houses. When I was at IU, we typically had 30 legacies going through and we would take a pledge class of 45 so we would typically take 2-3 legacies.

By: Iu alum
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<10% is pretty bad. I don't put that much stake in legacies but that's bad.

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It's mostly IU that doesn't show attention to legacies though. For most other schools its a big deal to be a legacy. Here, its not as important

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by: Big red   

Mothers, get a grip. It has been at least 20+ years since you pledged and formal recruitment is very different now. There are many more legacies now and most houses only consider a legacy as a PNM whose mother or sister is a member. Grandmothers, aunts or cousins are not considered, but they should be writing a rec. Also, as an alumni how involved are you? Do you pay your alumni dues? Support and belong to your local alumni group? Attend any alumni functions, meetings, etc...? As an alumni did you think to become involved with the IU chapter? Do you still support your philanthropic? I would venture to say most of these mothers can answer no to any ongoing support.

With the amount of women going thru recruitment, it would almost be impossible for any house to automatically take every legacy. Most houses utilize computer software programs to analyze the data. Houses work very hard to do recruitment correctly and give each girl a fair assessment. It's not just about physical beauty, but grades, community and campus involvement, what high school she went to and scholarship are also looked at. What is her reputation on campus? What questions did she ask of the members?
Not every PNM is going to get a bid from a top house. Remember, she might have cut some houses that might have offered her a bid.

By: Big red
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I'm active with an alumnae group that helps PNMs secure recommendations. Most of the girls we work with rush at SEC schools and we see the same issue with legacies year after year. SO many are released by their legacy chapters, and some are double and triple legacies. Last year, we had a legacy whose mother was president of her sorority's alumnae group over a huge metropolitan area--- the daughter got released right before pref. I know of one released legacy whose great-grandmother had been a FOUNDING member! It's disheartening for those of us who come from an era when legacies were rarely cut. I mean, she pretty much had to have a felony record. It is disappointing to see so many PNMs not get to carry on their family's affiliation with a sorority.

In the SEC, the major problem is sheer numbers. A few years ago, one Ole Miss chapter had enough legacies coming through recruitment to fill their pledge class three times over. A record number of young women are going through recruitment these days -- and they're a generation with a larger number who have educated mothers. In my day, it was about 50/50 as to whose mothers attended 4- year schools with an opportunity for Greek Life. Now, it's more girls and more legacies competing. Different dynamics, but one thing is constant -- PNMs and the alumnae behind them feel an extra sting when a legacy chapter doesn't extend an invite. It's a hard reality, though, and PNMs need to know that legacy status guarantees nothing.

By: Sorority Alum
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My daughter pledged this past Fall at a large SEC school as a legacy. She has since been told that they released 25 other legacies. I guess we were very lucky. We did our homework tho with RIF's and Recs. Perfect outfits were picked out for every day and topics of conversations discussed. She is beyond happy with her choice. Our only problem was that my daughter was dropped by the other top tier sororities after the first round. We have since heard that this is common practice because they don't want to waste time on a girl they think will end up pledging her also top tier legacy house. She got invitations back from all the others. Oh well...their loss.

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by: Sorority Alum   

Mom of 3 -- you described another scenario my alumnae group sees, and that is a girl getting dropped early by some sororities because they assume she will want her legacy chapter. They don't want to "waste a bid." This is especially true if the legacy chapter is a popular house. Two years ago, I did a recommendation for a young woman who you might call "the total package" destined for smooth recruitment. Not so. Her SEC school had 17 sororities and she was dropped after first rounds by all but two -- her legacy chapter through her mother and her legacy chapter through her sister. She pledged the latter and loves it, so all's well, but it was devastating to be cut so deeply so early.

Something we see a lot regarding legacies is this: as far as cuts go, the worst position a PNM can be in is to have a bio sister in a sorority and attend the same school while the sister is still an undergraduate. That carries a high probability of being quickly cut by all other chapters. Sisters on the same campus do usually join the same sorority -- but is it because it's what the younger one wanted, or is it because she had no other options? I know three girls it happened to recently. In one case, the younger sister is thrilled; in the other two, both depledged. Biological sisters can be very different and the right fit for one may not be for the other...

I am glad it worked out for your daughter and that she loves her chapter! And congrats on being a mom who survived SEC recruitment!

By: Sorority Alum
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First this is an IU thread-while SEC recruitment is challenging, IU has a unique, ( somewhat riduculous) and even more competitive approach given the limited number of slots in each house and the much smaller sizes of each chapter due to individually set quotas. Secondly re legacies, chapters at IU do not routinely release young women just because they are legacied at another chapter. In fact, that most often does not even enter the conversation until 3 party. It is courteous to release legacies from your own house early on if they are going to be released- usually after 14 party. That gives the PNM a chance to regroup ( if that house was a top pick for her) and move forward.

By: IU alum
by: Sorority Alum   

IU Alum -- I do realize this is an IU thread and really, really didn't mean for it to get hi-jacked. I do apologize. I have heard a lot lately about IU recruitment, and yes, you do have a unique system. I've read various thoughts about, but one thing is consistent-- you all have a great Greek system. :)

You sound like a good one to answer this. The alumnae group I'm active with is not just for my sorority. We're a Panhellenic community with members representing all sororities. We network to help link up PNMs with alumnae. Are recs critical for a PNM making it through early rounds at IU? That is the main purpose they serve in the SEC, and while most PNMs we work with are at those schools, we are beginning to expand. Fall 2012, we worked with girls at Mizzou, OSU and other schools, so we are growing. We have not yet been contacted by an IU PNM, but in the event we are, I'd like to know how to advise regarding recommendations. Thanks, and again, I am sorry for getting off track.

By: Sorority Alum
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Recs are nice, but not essential at IU. Many, many PNM's have no recs and no connections.

By: IU alum
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Thanks for the info. I'm sure future IU PNMs will be glad to see that. I wish the recs weren't such a big deal at most of the schools I deal with. I don't mind doing them, but they sure add to the pre-recruitment stress for PNMs (and a lot of moms).

By: Sorority Alum
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This is Another discussion (link here) had many many people who recently went thru this and many useful suggestions. Go way to the bottom for recent 2013

Sorority Recruitment at Indiana University ? Bloomington | Sorority ...
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Jan 17, 2011 ? There are MANY NPC sororities that would like to join the IU sorority system but the limited land on which to build houses (and at IU they're not ...

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