new sorority?

Why are they going to bottom house? Is it just the housing thing? I have a brother in a fraternity at another school and he said there they are one of the best (Upper middle or lower top i guess).
I was also just wondering like do I still get a big and do we get to pick our own rules and stuff.

Because every colony starts out as a bottom house for the first 5 years or so. ASA will remain a bottom house because they don't have a physical house and obviously don't care enough to competitively recruit against other houses here. There are probably less than 5 universities where ASA is middle or top tier. They are not the #1 house at ANY school. But the schools they do well at, it's because they have an actual sorority house.

AXO colonized in 2013. They're a strong sorority nationally and yet they're still considered one of the bottom houses at Arizona. If a sorority like AXO who has tons of alumni and national support can't propel themselves to middle tier, a small mediocre sorority like ASA will never be able to rise above bottom tier.

And no, you won't get a big if you join a colony.

Take what @penny says with a grain of salt. There is no way that he/she can know the tier or rank of every ASA chapter unless they are some sort of creepy stalker with no life, or actually think everything on GR is true (and searched for every ASA chapter, which is also creepy).

I don't know how ASA does it but in some colonies you get a twin. Some sororities give you alum bigs or bigs from other chapters.

And no you don't get to make your own rules LOL. It's a national sorority.

Haha you don't have to be a creepy stalker with no life to know that ASA is nationally an extremely weak organization. You just have to know about NPC and have an understanding of Greek orgs as a whole. The truth of the matter is, they only have a handful of thriving chapters, and none (maybe 1) of them are considered "top tier."

I'm not saying they should be shamed for that. I'm proud of every sorority in the NPC. And being "top tier" doesn't mean much in the real world anyway. ASA at Arizona will provide a unique experience for those looking for an atypical sorority experience. That's a GOOD thing. Sorry if you misinterpreted my comments.

Sure, Jan.

^ You do realize ASA gave a presentation to the school and laid out their plan for us, right? These aren't predictions...

They've already made it clear they won't be pursuing real estate. They've already clarified they don't plan on participating in formal recruitment, at least for the next several years. They WANT to start off small, and perhaps remain that way. THAT'S THEIR PLAN. THAT'S WHAT THEY TOLD US.

Get off your high horse. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Wow! Haven't been here in a minute. My brother goes to the University of Delaware. His frat mixes with ASA there so i guess that's how he figures they're an upper tier sorority there.
I know there's a DG and Theta chapter there too which he says are bottom...and those sororities are very big on a national level and also pretty popular here and at ASU. Basically what I am saying is I don't think what a chapter is nationally will have THAT much of an affect on them locally. We will see though!

It does have an effect. Just because some strong national chapters have weak local chapters doesn't mean anything. ASA has less than 5 strong "upper" or "middle" chapters. At a school like U of A where rush is crazy competitive, based almost entirely on looks/rep, and where having an actual HOUSE matters, ASA's future does not look good.

Dude, get out of this thread. No one cares. You're obviously not a girl.

People here don't want that kind of sorority experience though. They want a traditional experience and they aren't not rushing or dropping out because they want an "alternative" sorority experience. While this will probably help the current bottom tier houses, I predict ASA will crash and burn within five years. Every time a sorority anywhere tries to be the alternative non-sorority type of sorority, it fails. No one really wants that.

^ You're wrong actually. Look at a school like Alabama. They may arguably be the most Greek life oriented school in the nation. They have undoubtedly the largest rush. They have 17 NPC sororities but only 16 of them participate in formal recruitment. They 17th house advertises themselves as an "alternative" choice for those who want a panhellenic sorority but would prefer a small house. They've been on campus for awhile and didn't crash and burn.

University of Texas has the same exact situation.

Plenty of girls drop out of our rush because they decided "the sorority life isn't for them." I think ASA is going to target those girls. It'll be interesting to see whether or not they'll succeed in recruiting them however.

If that is what ASA is planning, they MAY do well. However, you are right about them crashing and burning if they even try to keep up with the rest of the sororities here. It will be next to impossible without a house.

You don't know crap. Alabama SDT has a house. Texas chapter is unhoused and on the verge of closing.

I never said they didn't have a house? Can you read? I said they don't participate in formal recruitment and they are much, much smaller than the other sororities.

You're dumb. People here want a house and a regular sisterhood experience, not some small sorority with no house and a weak national rep. Go away ASA alum. You keep embarrassing yourselves on here and it's pathetic!

Hahahah I'm an active, not an ASA alum. Also, I'm neither in favor nor against ASA coming to campus so I have no idea why you're even trying to argue with me. All I'm saying is, if extremely Greek life oriented schools like Alabama can have panhellenic sororities that don't offer a "typical" sorority experience and can be successful, I would say there are probably a decent amount of girls at U of A who would go for it as well.

Lots of girls drop out of rush because they think sorority life isn't for them. Maybe ASA is targeting those girls. That's literally ALL I'm saying. You're being so weird and argumentative for no reason whatsoever lol. I couldn't care less if ASA came to campus or not.

Also, I've repeatedly referred to ASA as incredibly weak nationally. Do you really think an ASA alum would say that about their own sorority? I don't even particularly think it's a good idea that they're coming to campus. I'm just offering a perspective as to WHY they may be doing it.

They gave a presentation to the school and panhel and told us what their plan is...

We DO know what they're planning to do lmao

Also, I have no idea why you think I'm being negative towards them. If you automatically assume that their plan is BAD thing, maybe you're the negative one. I'm glad ASA is coming to campus because it was offer an opportunity to girls who are unsuccessful during formal recruitment.

I'm sorry, but I think you're misinterpreting the tone of my comments. Try again.

Dang the stench of desperate elderly ASA alums is strong in here

Exactly. Their strong chapters are at small schools were Greek life isn't a big thing. They don't have strong chapters at larger more Greek oriented schools.

It will be extremely difficult for them to be successful at U of A. Especially without a house. That why I think they're not planning on being a typical sorority, and remaining small. They might even opt out of formal recruitment once they've colonized. Some smaller national sororities will do that. Decide not to participate and rush and only do COB or their own informal rush events. That's where I imagine ASA is going.

My friend is an ASA at Delaware, where greek life is fairly popular and they have houses, and ASA is one of the best there.

At Delaware? Ok..

Also, if they don't have houses, Greek life can't be that big of a deal.

She didn't say they didnt have houses??? And she means university of Delaware I am pretty sure ..

Greek life is not a big thing at Delaware lmao

ASA has a young unhoused chapter at IU. I know IU had something like 1900 PNMs last year and has 22 sororities. From what it looks like, the ASA chapter isn't struggling for numbers.

Not true. ASA at Indiana University, which is a big Greek System, they do very well even without a house.

They are bottom of the barrel there. Like everywhere else

I think it has to do with ASA accepting the fact that they didn't want to grow much and did not expect a house of some sort. Adding a strong orginization would of came with them wanting a house and the university could not help them in that case since nothing is available.

ASA was the only sorority who wanted to come to campus. And yes, real estate is a big factor. Stronger national sororities wouldn't want to colonize here unless they knew they could buy a house. Since ASA is probably fine with remaining unhoused, they saw it as a non-issue.

I agree adding a small sorority won't help us much in terms of quota and large pledge classes. Usually adding a new sorority means we give out less bids which is a good thing, as right now pledge classes are way too big.

But if a small sorority comes to campus and wants to remain small, it's not much of a help. But then again, it doesn't hurt us either. The only sorority who risks getting hurt is ASA. And if they want to risk it, so be it.

Lol I was the one who mentioned a friend of mine in ASA @ IUP and my exact point was it won't be as success here at a large school where greek life is competitive. Not an ASA alum...