Sorority Recruitment

But also PNM's who were invited to more than one pref and put both all of them down on their cards are, too, guaranteed a bid from one of those houses, even if it puts a house over quota. Not their first choice, but a bid from one of them guaranteed. This is called Quota Plus. So it's not just if a PNM was invited to only one pref.

"Quota Plus" - is that new this year?

No, another term for Quota Additions. Not new.

Yes!!!! It’s not fair for a girl that maximizes all options and prefs two houses and would happily join either to go bidless. How can that even be possible

Snap bids are given bid day. COBs are usually in the few weeks after bid day, and depend on the overall quota of the chapter. So every sorority can only take a max number of girls on bid day set by ISC, but sometimes their individual nationals let them take more. It will be determined who is doing it in the next couple weeks. People are chosen to go through the process by being recommended by members, usually the new girls since they know friends who didn’t get bids , etc. Stay in touch with people who got bids and ask them in a week or two.

Technically there is no 2nd bid list anymore. It's one big list ranked 1-200, etc. But same difference.

If they didn’t pref everyone knows they were snapped

Well, some girls are interested in not just 1 or 2 sororities, but would actually be thrilled to join up to 12 of the sororities at UVA and then those 12 sororities reject them….so, don’t act like all girls that drop are being entitled. Some are very open minded and just found it hard to have a good conversation with the remaining 3 sororities that they are invited back to. Many of these PNMs are beautiful inside and out and thoroughly engaged in great conversations with girls in a majority of the houses but then probably just didn’t have the right connections and got dropped. I am not saying all sororities dirty rush, but it does help to have a connection who will stand up for you during PNM voting in order to be invited to join about 12-13 of these sororities at UVA. It’s super sad for the girls rushing because they may be super social and want to meet new people and it’s the very fact that they don’t know enough people that’s causing them to be dropped. It would be nice if the ISC could find a way to address this. And don’t say that these girls should just give the last 2-3 sororities they have left “a chance” and that they are being “entitled” — these PNMs have returned to those houses several times by pref night and still couldn’t connect with the girls. All the while, the other 12-13 sororities have full “justification” to drop us after one five minute conversation? Why don’t the sororities like Theta try the “just give girls a chance” approach and give the girls they cut first round a shot at membership. You all are super hypocritical.

@noname: "It would be nice if the ISC could find a way to address this."

What would you suggest?

Wish I could suggest something to improve the recruitment process for girls that have zero connections, but without being IN a sorority, I can't know the inner workings of recruitment to make suggestions to improve the process. If I were ever able to get into a sorority, I would 100% get involved in the ISC to try to figure out a way to make this process more inclusive. At an excellent university like UVA, it seems there could be a really smart group of young women who could put together a working group on the ISC to brainstorm ways to make rush work better for everybody. Again, when you are excluded from participating, you certainly can't be part of the solution but I certainly met enough kind and caring girls during rush that I can't imagine you all wouldn't want to work to find a better recruitment process.

Why doesn't guys' frat rush have any of this craziness and algorithm stuff?

Above commenter: please note, I emphasized that I don't believe the majority of sororities are dirty rushing. You made my point - it's not about dirty rushing, it's about connections. The whole "oh, I know her from high school, she's great" is going to improve someone's chances over no one being able to vouch at all. And, of course, that's normal. But still leaves plenty of great girls out of the system.

@ No Name - The rush process is guided by national NPC, not ISC. Before you think you can do better you need to educate yourself on all the current rules and procedures in place, including an understanding of RFM, and the reasoning behind why they have been adopted by all NPC sororities over generations of experience and analysis. I'm sorry you were dropped from all sororities, but if you gave each one a real chance then maybe some analysis of how it went wrong for you is in order, rather than blaming the system.

Meeeow!

Consultant and reps from nationals are the worst

Again, not being a part of the system makes it a lot harder to come up with solutions. But maybe we could not be so small minded and think outside of the box. OK, so nationals has their rules....what can we do on campus to improve the sorority experience so that girls see fun opportunities in all sororities. Anyway, all I am saying is that there are a lot of disappointed girls this weekend (Probably both in and out of sororities) and it seems like maybe we could do better. If your response is simply "sorry - it is what it is", then you are probably pretty mean and not really the person to engage in conversations about how to be more inclusive.

Wish that UVA sororities were more free from their nationals, the stupid rules, the misogyny.

sorry but it seems like you shouldve given the sororities you had a chance rather than spending your time on this website. this place is incredibly toxic and filled with frat trolls who love to get girls riled up. those 3 sororities wanted you back. by naming Theta, then it’s pretty obvious where your head was at

if you’re viewing joining a sorority as “gaming the algorithm” you shouldn’t be in one

what weirdo is spamming this comment with likes. it literally went up by 20 in a minute. and no you don’t need a rush coach at UVA you just need to be able to hold conversation and not be entitled lmfao

I got a B+ in CS 4102 and I still don't understand the hierarchy of choosing for srat rush

You don’t need a rush coach if you are outgoing, interesting and give off a great impression when you meet new people. You probably do need a rush coach if you don’t have this “it” factor and aren’t super outgoing.

Basically top sororities want girls they already know and like because they know what to expect from these girls. If you’re amazing but don’t have connections you might get lucky and get a bid to one of these sororities if you meet the right girls during recruitment and click with them. Unfortunately there are tons of amazing girls rushing and only a limited number of spots at each sorority but imagine what could happen to some of the lower tier houses if they got great pledge classes full of the awesome girls that don’t get bids from the top 3, that could really help these chapters’ reps after a few years of this. If each sorority can only take 50 new members, that equals 150 new members at the top 3. There are way more than 150 incredible PNMs going through recruitment that have to go somewhere, which means there are amazing girls joining other sororities.

@Whoa is correct. At SEC schools women who rush really want to have the Sorority experience, so if they get into one of the bottom 3 they're still happy and do everything they can to elevate their chapters. Those bottoms are full of wonderful women who work really hard at making their experience just as good as anyone elses.

This is not the case at UVA, but could be. All it would take would be 5 to 10 amazing women each to take a risk and transform those chapters into what UVA women are looking for. Sad that ISC doesn't care about those bottom 3 sororities, they do nothing to build them up or support them.

The problem lies with ISC, not the National Org, there is no Panhellenic spirit here!

Most do snaps which like COB

Every sorority except KKG is eligible for cobs

Snaps are not at all like COB. Snaps are between pref night and bid day only, and are to help get a chapter up to quota if that didn't happen during bid matching. There are no snaps after bids are opened. Only pnms' who attended at least one round of formal rush may be snapped. Every other bid is from Continuous Open Bidding (COB) and can go to anyone, whether they went through formal or not. Chapters may COB if they did not make quota by bid day or if they are under the determined House Total membership.

How long after receiving a bid must a girl accept it or decide to do COB?

How will the sororities contact people?? I really want to be in one but I don’t know what to do.

@ Clock - To receive a bid a pnm must sign the MRABA card after pref, which states that she will accept the bid she is offered. This is a binding agreement and is in effect for one year. If she does not accept this bid then she is ineligible for another bid until the next formal recruitment in a year. That means no COB for her. A pnm is free to drop out after pref without signing (very poor form; drop out before pref if you don't like your pref options) or to only put one house down if that's the only bid she would accept (called 'suiciding'). There are repercussions to this strategy and it usually doesn't work in the pnm's favor.

That's really messed up. If she's contacted by a srat that cut her for prefs but now is below quota and wants her, she should be able to join the srat she wants and who wants her.

@Mess - Anyone who was in rush and dropped without signing a card or who was dropped by all sororities can get a snap. But no one is getting a snap if she signed the agreement. The agreement states that she will accept the bid she is offered. Sign the card and commit to one of your pref choices or don't sign the card and see what happens. It's a choice.

These are not really different at all.
1. Pref round invitations work like any other round; the sororities do the choosing. The pnm's rankings are not considered by the sororities when they are making their invitation lists. In fact, the sororities do not ever see the pnm's ranks. If a sorority does not invite you to their pref, then you get one or both of your alternate choices. The two alternate choices should be ranked by the PNM, according to NPC rules. Are you really sure they are not ranked? That does not seem right. If one of her first pref choices releases her and first alternate invites her back then she gets those two; otherwise she would get the second alternate instead. If both her top two pref choices release her, then the algorithm would go to both of her alternates to see if she is on either or both of those invitation lists, always trying to give her the max of her options.
2. Dropping out or being dropped or suiciding doesn't affect being able to be snapped. NPC rules state that any pnm who went through at least the first round of formal rush, and was either dropped or decided to drop, or who didn't get her suicide choice, is eligible for a snap bid.

But in your first scenario (PNM gets cut by her top two and her two alternates cut her) then she doesn't get a bid.

to @Huh, you misunderstand; the scenarios are not for bid matching after prefs, but for the two houses where the PNM wants to attend pref. Just like every other round, a PNM ranks her houses for attending pref, and if one of her two top houses drops her then the algorithm searches for her next highest ranked house, where she is invited back, to move up onto her schedule. But what is described here is not a ranking so much as a two-and-two choice, like "pick your top two pref houses and then pick two others in case you don't get one of your tops, and the algorithm will pick one of those alternates for you." That's a bit uncommon to not be able to rank those alternate choices 1 & 2. Sometimes a PNM is dropped from all houses before pref, but there are no cuts after pref. Wherever a PNM is invited to pref, she is on the bid list somewhere. Does that help?

Any idea when or for how long cobs will be given out?

Most houses start doing cob right away and continue until they get the numbers they need. Not to be cynical but every girl is $$$ to a sorority so they really try to keep their numbers up.

UVAC2022
08:02:51 EST
=SUM(A2:A6, A13)

AXO +2
AP +6
ADP +4
XO +3
DDD +2
DG +6
DZ +4
GPB +7
KAT +2
KD +6
KKG +0
PBP +3
SK +4
SSS +5
ZTA +3

When would you say that I should contact a rush chair or ISC if I did not participate in formal recruitment at all. Am I more or less likely to get a bid if I did not participate in formal recruitment or does it not matter?

and by bid I would be doing COB

Just contact one those srats that have open spots. Take it from there.

So Kappa won rush. Again

what does this mean? is that the number below pc-quota on bid day?

Spots for snaps or COB

Aphi gave out at least 1 snap bid today, i know because I got one. I suicided zeta and obviously didn’t get a bid from them

These aren't open spots in sororities. They are the number over quota that each house took. It doesn't mean a thing about whether they will offer COB or not. It's just what their quota additions were. It's interesting, but there's nothing useful about those numbers.