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Or bias towards people who party hard which might be a largely white population too?

Yes. Its a cultural thing. You can’t expect a frat to force kids to rush so they can meet your quotas. That said, there are probably one or two frats at penn that could do better in terms of diversity (not going to name names)

@yes wouldnt a quota would be for groups that are in the minority? but if the minority (Whites at Penn) is the majority in a certain activity like Greek life, then as an analogy it is like when a minority white Afrikaners were the majority in government in South Africa until apartheid ended. I think there are some historical forces at play in keeping whites the majority in greek life but hard to pin down to what... wouldnt a reasonable situation be 50% white, which I cant defend is the case rn?

either way @Yes, culture does play a big role... so no denying that... it would be nice to see some leaders in the on-campus scene to talk bout this, especially from male organizations where diversity is really poor

Totally support pointing out racial biases but penn happens to be 44% white which surprisingly would mean theres proportionally less white people in greek like than non white though by slim margins.

there is. good point

Greek orgs don’t record or release any such stats. But I have ever seen a majority non-white PC lol or even a 40%-50% non-white PC. It is very well known that white people tend to overestimate diversity.... a statistically unbiased PC (at Penn) of 20 should have only 10 white people give or take...

agreed but "lagging" is definitely a euphemism, more like shamelessly resisting change

@... obviously anecdotal but i will say my pc of like 17 is half POC. there are some out there that do a decent job, remember that there’s like 20-30 frats even tho only a handful really get talked about/part of the scene

no excuse tho and absolutely agree as a campus we have to aim to do better.

as a "PoC" (really hate that term), I got interested in the frats where the upperclassmen interacted with me and invited me for more events, plain and simple... so maybe making a pre-planned group effort to give out phone numbers to more "PoC" during freshman fall more often and inviting more of them should do it. itll have a chain effect. dont have to decrease your standards for personality to do that

yoo I also think we poc in frats are part of the problem... i've never been asked about racial issues by my brothers and i've never made any initiative to be more inclusive to poc during rush because i dnt wanna be "that" guy who talks about social justice. But now I realize taking initiative is not some social justice issue, its just common sense

i think also an issue is that people just inherently have biases toward people of their own race bc they generally have shared experiences. so majority white frats are probably just gonna keep taking majority white pc’s cause at the end of the day, the brothers and rushes feel most comfortable with each other.

so part of the work is definitely just having these open conversations about what the problems are, and where improvements can be made, and really verbalizing that there are issues regarding race in greek life on campus. because if these conversations dont happen, said frats can continue to turn a blind eye to the problem and just blame it on the rush process.

being a man of color in what is often ranked a T1 frat, ive never felt any discrimination among my brothers and i love my em. that being said i am very aware of my race everyday, which i know is something my brothers are never of. sometimes i think they pretend i am white or forget i am not, and that "pretend game" is where all the problems of racial exclusion begins

@dubs there is such thing as New England wasp culture and thats what A's represents. I get it. And honestly A's is fine in that regard because they have opened up in the last 5+ years from what Ive heard. But what about say all the other T1 and T2 (And even T3 frats) that literally dont have any excuse. Like there are some frats simply known for being white like it is an achievement. In reality, they are trying to emulate A's but fall far behind because they know they are just taking public school kids who are white from all over the country not just the Brunswick school lol

GOT EM

if each frat has different vibes, why do we rank them? wouldn't it be like stupidly comparing apples to oranges? and saying this frat is preppy or that frat is sceney is fine but then accepting that that is why they are overwhelmingly white makes no sense unless you believe people of color all went to urban public school or can't party hard. in fact a vast number of poc came from elite prep schools but w/e i dont think this is going to lead anywhere online. has to be made an open dialogue on campus

Yes so true thank u